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DRAFT UNTIL APPROVED BY SENATE
MINUTES OF MEETING OF SENATE OF SIMON FRASER UNIVERSITY HELD
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MONDAY, JANUARY 14, 1974, 3172 ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, 7:30 P.M.
OPEN SESSION
Present: ?
Strand, K.
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Chairman
Aronoff, S.
Baird, D. A.
Beirne, B. P.
Birch, D. R.
Brown, R. C.
Burkle, E.
Copes, P.
Cot, P. T.
Daein, J. P.
D'Auria, J. N.
Dawson, A. J.
DeVoretz, D. J.
Doherty, P. M.
Eastwood, G. R.
Eliot Hurst, M. E.
Ellis, J. F.
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Hollibaugh, A. L.
Jamieson, D. H.
Kissner, R. F.
Kitchen, J. M.
Munro, J. M.
Nair, K. K.
Rheumer, G. A.
Rieckhoff, K. E.
Sadleir, R.M.F.S.
Seager, J. W.
Smith, W.A.S.
Sterling, T. D.
Swangard, E. M.
Wheatley, J.
Wilson, B. C.
Evans, H. M.
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Secretary
Nagel, H. D.
Norsworthy, R.
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Recording Secretary
Absent:
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Banister, E. W.
Caple, K. P.
Enunott, A. H.
MacPherson, A.
Reid, W. D.
Salter, J. H.
Sutherland, C. A.
In attendance:
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Meakin, D.
Mugridge, I.
Okuda, K.
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SEATING OF SENATOR
The Secretary announced the result of a recent election by and
from the Faculty of Arts wherein G. A. Rheumer, having received the
majority of votes, had been elected to replace P. L. Wagner on Senate
for balance term of office to May 31, 1974.
It was moved, seconded, and carried that Dr. Rheumer be seated
on Senate.
1.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
The agenda was approved as circulated.
2.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
J. D'Auria pointed out a typographical error on page 32 of the
minutes of December 3, 1973 in respect of Paper S.73-151 wherein the
prerequisite change
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for CHEM 351-3 should be from CHEM 252-3, 261-3
to CHEM 252-3. With that correction, the minutes of the Open Session
of December 3, 1973 were declared approved as distributed.
3.
BUSINESS ARISING FROM THE MINUTES
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There was no business arising from the minutes.
4.
REPORT OF CHAIRMAN
There was no report from the Chairman.
5.
REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
1. Senate Graduate Studies Committee
1. Paper S.74-1 - Graduate Studies - Course Numbers for Special
Arrangements
Moved by J. Wheatley, seconded by K. Rieckhoff,
"That Senate approve, as set forth in S.74-1,
the following two new course proposals:
Special Arrangements 898 - Master's Thesis
Special Arrangements 899 - Doctoral Thesis
These courses will not be listed in the calendar
and are for the exclusive use of students working
under Special Arrangements between two or more
departments."
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An amendment was then moved by J. Wheatley, seconded by K.
Rieckhoff,
"That the last five words of the motion be
deleted."
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J. Wheatley stated that S. Aronoff had drawn attention to the
fact that special arrangements involved programs and, as there was
no objection, the Chairman declared the words withdrawn. The last
sentence of the motion then read:
"These courses will not be listed in the
calendar and are for the exclusive use of
students working under Special Arrangements."
Question was called, and a vote taken.
MOTION CARRIED
2. Paper S.74-2 - Graduate Studies - Archaeology Changes
Moved by J. Wheatley, seconded by K. Rleckhoff,
"That Senate approve, as set forth In S.74-2,
the following changes:
a) That the Archaeology graduate program be
disconnected from the Department of Political
Science, Sociology and Anthropology.
b)That the paragraph, 'The following graduate
courses are offered. These courses may be
taken by students from other departments as
electives and may be used to satisfy depart-
mental requirements in the PSA degree program'
be deleted from the Calendar.
c)
That the paragraph, 'Students who wish to write
the graduate thesis (898 or 899) in Archaeology
may do so with the concurrence of both the PSA
Department and the Department of Archaeology
unit in which case the supervising committee
will be partly comprised of Archaeologists' be
deleted from the Calendar.
d) That the following courses be instituted:
ARC. 898 - M.A. Thesis
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ARC. 899 - Ph.D. Thesis."
Question was called, and a vote taken.
MOTION CARRIED
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3. Paper S.74-
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-3 - Graduate Studies - Department of Economics and
Commerce Calendar Changes
Moved by J. Wheatley, seconded by K. Rieckhoff,
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"That Senate approve, as set forth in S.74-3,
that the following paragraph on Page 63 of the
Graduate Calendar be deleted:
'2. Written qualifying examinations in three
fields, one field in economic theory
covering both micro and macro aspects and
two other fields or two fields in economic
theory covering both micro and macro to an
advanced level and one other field. The
other fields will be selected from the
following: monetary economics, quantitative
methods, international economics, economic
history, development economics, regional
economics, resource economics and labor
economics. Adequate preparation for the
qualifying exam in economic theory will be
successful completion of the Microeconomic
Theory sequence (800-5 and 801-5) and of
the Macroeconomic Theory sequence (805-5
and 806-5). Students who have successfully
completed work equivalent to 800 and 805
may omit course work in those parts of the
sequences. Students are encouraged to com-
plete the above sequences early in order to
have the appropriate prerequisites for other
likely courses in their programs.'
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That Senate approve, as set forth in S.74-3,
that the following paragraph be added to Page 63
of the Graduate Calendar:
'2. Written qualifying examination in three
fields. These fields will consist either
of separate micro and macro economic theory
fields and one other field, or a combined
micro and macro economic theory field and
two other fields. These other fields may
be selected from the following: monetary
economics, quantitative methods, mathematical
economics, international economics, public
finance, economic history, development
economics, regional economics, resource
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economics, and labour economics. Adequate
course preparation for the qualifying exam
in the combined micro and macro economic
theory field will be successful completion
of Economics 800-5 and Economics 805-5.
The courses required for the microeconomic
theory field are Economics 800-5 and
Economics 801-5, and for the macroeconomic
field Economics 805-5 and Economics 806-5.
Students are encouraged to complete their
theory courses early in order to have the
appropriate prerequisites for other likely
courses in their programs.'
c)
That Senate approve, as set forth in S.74-3,
that the following paragraph on Page 64 of the
Graduate Calendar be deleted:
'3. Qualification in a supporting subject.
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student must qualify in a supporting subject
in addition to the 60 credit requirement under
1 above. A student may select as a supporting
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subject a language other than English. To
qualify a student must demonstrate a thorough
reading knowledge in the language concerned,
as well as familiarity with the economics liter-
ature in that language.
A student may select mathematics as a supporting
subject. To qualify he must demonstrate compe-
tence in aspects of mathematics (including
differential and integral calculus and linear
algebra) adequate to support the most advanced
course work in quantitative methods.
With the approval of the Department, a student
may select as a supporting subject a social
science other than economics. To qualify in
such an area he must demonstrate, by examination,
a basic knowledge in the discipline concerned at
the level of an honors graduate.'
d)
That Senate approve, as set forth in S.74-3,
that the following paragraph be added to Page 64
of the Graduate Calendar:
'3. Qualification in a supporting subject.
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In addition to the 60 credit requirement under 1
above a student may be required to qualify in a
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supporting subject. The supporting subject may,
for example, be a language other than English,
Mathematics, Computer Science, or a Social Science
other than economics, depending upon the require-
ments of the student's proposed thesis. The
student's Supervisory Committee, in consultation
with the student, shall make a recommendation on
the requirements, if any, for qualification in a
supporting subject for final approval by the
Graduate Program Committee."
Question was called, and a vote taken.
MOTION CARRIED
4.
Paper S.74-4 - Graduate Studies - Department of Modern Languages
Calendar Changes
Moved by J. Wheatley, seconded by K. Rieckhoff,
"That Senate approve, as set forth in S.74-4,
that LING 700-5 be graded on a Satisfactory/.
Unsatisfactory (S/U) basis."
J. Wheatley commented that, if the motion passed, LING 700-5
would be the first course subjected to S/U grading.
Question was called, and a vote taken.
MOTION CARRIED
5.
Paper S.74-5 - Graduate Studies - PSA Calendar Changes
Moved by J. Wheatley, seconded by K. Rieckhoff,
"That Senate approve, as set forth in S.74-5,
the following change in degree requirements for
the PSA Department:
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'A graduate student's main concentration will be
on a thesis and not on formal course work. For
the M.A. degree, minimum requirements are four
one semester courses and a thesis. For the Ph.D.
degree, requirements are one course and a thesis,
excluding seminars. This course may extend beyond
one semester's duration and is designed particularly
to equip the candidate for his research and thesis.'
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'A graduate student's concentration will be both on
a thesis and formal course work. For the M.A. degree,
minimum requirements are five one semester courses
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and a thesis. The requirements for the Ph.D.
degree for students with a Master's degree
are three courses and a thesis."
Question was called, and a vote taken.
MOTION CARRIED
2. Senate Committee on Undergraduate Studies
1.
Paper S.74-6 - Faculty of Arts_
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Department of Economics and
Commerce - COMM 337-3 - Change in Prerequisite
Moved by S. Smith, seconded by K. Rieckhoff,
"That Senate approve, as set forth in S.74-6,
for Commerce 337-3 - Data Processing in
Business, a change in prerequisite
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MATH 106-3 or CMPT 100-3 or 102-2
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Any accredited computing science course
including MATH 106-3."
Question was called, and a vote taken.
MOTION CARRIED
2.
Paper S.74-7 - Faculty of Arts - Department of
Psychology -
Change in Requirements and New Course Proposal -
Psychology
499-10 - Honors Thesis
Moved by S. Smith, seconded by K. Rieckhoff,
Motion 1: "That Senate approve, as set forth in S.74-7,
the new course proposal for Psychology 499-10
- Honors Thesis."
Motion 2:
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"That Senate approve, as set forth in S.74-7,
change in requirements for Honors in Psychology
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'.... To qualify for the Honors degree in
Psychology the student must have completed 50
credits in upper division Psychology or approved
related courses during the last four levels.'
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'.... To qualify for the Honors degree in
Psychology the student must have completed 50
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credits in upper division Psychology or approved
related courses during the upper levels. No
more than eight of these credit hours may be
directed studies courses in Psychology."
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Motion 3:
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"That Senate approve, as set forth in S.74-7,
the addition of a section in Directed Studies
as follows: 'Students taking the Majors or
Honors In Psychology may count no more than 8
credit hours of Directed Studies towards the
required number of upper division Psychology
credits.'"
(Note: If Senate does not approve Psychology 499-10, for the above
substitute the following:
"Students majoring in Psychology may count no
more than 8 credit hours of Directed Studies
towards upper division required credits in
Psychology. Students taking Honors in Psychology
may count no more than 11 credit hours of Directed
Studies towards upper division required credits in
Psychology.")
In response to a question from R. Kissner, I. Mugridge responded
that his instructions were to provide the substance of the Senate
Committee on Undergraduate Studies debate on this subject, but not the
actual vote. S. Smith added that the concerns of Senate had been
spoken to in the Department and he considered that the communication
process on referral had been appropriate.
Question was called, and a vote taken.
MOTION CARRIED
(In the motion as approved, the "Note" above was not included.)
3. Library Penalties Appeal Committee
1. Paper S.74-8 - Changes in Procedures - Library Penalties
Moved by J. P. Daem, seconded by A. Hollibaugh,
"That Senate approve changes in the procedures of
the Library Penalties Appeal Committee as follows:
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'Penalties imposed will not be suspended while an
appeal is waiting to be heard by the Committee,
but fines which have been paid and which are sub-
sequently deemed unfair by the Committee will be
refunded.'
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'Penalties imposed will be suspended while an
appeal is waiting to be heard by the Committee,
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subsequently
fines which have been paid and which are
subsequently deemed unfair by the Committee will
be refunded."
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D. Baird believed that the motion should not have been presented
to Senate without prior submission to the Senate Library Committee,
and noted that under the terms of reference of the Committee it was a
standing committee reporting to the Senate Library Committee. The
Chairman considered the question, noting that it was an unusual situa-
tion in that it was a Senate Committee which was called upon to report
to the Senate Library Committee but that it had only one term of
reference for which it makes a final decision. He considered the
terms of reference awkward but that the motion was in order.
J. P. Daem was of the opinion that the conditions currently in
effect while awaiting decisions on appeals were discriminatory as they
assumed unproven guilt. K. Rieckhoff objected to the change proposed
in the current policy as he believed that this could lead to abuses
and a significant increase in unsupported appeal requests. The mover
of the motion noted that for the procedures to be applied the appeal
must be in writing.
Question was called, and a vote taken.
MOTION CARRIED
4. Senate Undergraduate Admissions Board
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1. Paper S.74-9 - Transfer Credit for Work at the British Columbia
Institute of Technology
Moved by B. Wilson, seconded by D. Birch,
"That Senate authorize, as set forth in S.74-9,
the Director of Admissions to grant transfer
credit for work completed at the British Columbia
Institute of Technology."
J. Munro raised questions concerning the desirability of awarding
transfer credit as is done for the colleges and sought clarification.
The Chairman asked the Director of Admissions to describe the process
for transfer credit, and D. Meakin responded the standard process
would be that he would collect detailed course descriptions and the
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closely allied department would examine the content and determine
what content would fit within the general guidelines of being of a
University level. Recommendations in terms of transfer credit would
be considered by the Senate Undergraduate Admissions Board.
Question was called, and a vote taken.
MOTION CARRIED
Moved by J. P. Daem, seconded by A. Hollibaugh,
"That this new policy be retroactive for any
students since the institution of BCIT."
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K. Rieckhoff spoke against the motion stating that there had been
too many changes in the past offerings and a blanket change was inap-
propriate. S. Aronoff pointed out that credit would be granted only if
it is applicable.
Moved by R. Kissner, seconded by K. Rieckhoff,
"That the motion be referred to the Senate
Undergraduate Admissions Board for its con-
sideration."
T. Sterling was of the opinion that the University should extend
itself to accommodate the few students who might be eligible for transfer
credit on a retroactive basis. K. Rieckhoff countered that there was no
data to substantiate the claim and if there were only a few students no
harm would be caused by delay. S. Aronoff directed attention to the
rationale which indicated the motion was an enabling process to permit
the Committee to evaluate courses as presented. K. Rieckhoff then stated
the motion on retroactivity was out of order, but the Chairman ruled that
the rationale statement could apply equally as well in the present as in
the past and that the motion was in order. D. Meakin explained that the
intent was that transfer credit would be given to students who are admitted
to the University in the Fall 1974 and thereafter and retroactivity could
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apply for work taken prior to passage of the paper.
Question was called on the motion to refer, and a vote taken.
MOTION TO REFER CARRIED
15 in favor
11 opposed
5. Academic Planning Committee
1. Paper S.74-10 - Report on the Senate Referral Motion of July 9,
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Concerning Department of Political Science, Sociology and Anthropology
Moved by B. Wilson, seconded by K. Rieckhoff,
"That Senate approve, and recommend approval to the
Board of Governors, the following recommendations
of the Academic Planning Committee, as set forth in
S.74-lO:
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The existing Political Science, Sociology and
Anthropology Department be divided into separate
departments of Political Science, and Sociology/
Anthropology, and that this action be effective
upon acceptance by the Board of Governors;
2.
The separate departments bring forward statements
of objectives, final program proposals, and de-
tailed curricula for proposed implementation by
September 1, 1974."
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B. Wilson recapitulated events which led to this presentation
following July 1973 when the matter was referred back to the Academic
Planning Committee. He advised that a sub-committee had been estab-
lished by the APC to evaluate the proposal. The sub-committee met
with faculty and students and written submissions had been invited
from all undergraduate and graduate students majoring in the disciplines
represented in the Department, from all members of the Faculty of Arts,
and several outside reviewers. Recommendations were formulated. B.
Wilson emphasized that the curricula contained in the report were draft
curricula and did not define or limit territories and were not for
approval at this time.
J. P. Daem was of the opinion that the document did not answer
the charges of July 9, 1973 in the motion to refer. Thus this sub-
mission continued to involve an administrative rather than academic
separation, and therefore the question now being considered is the
same as in July 1973. He gave notice of motion, if the motion on the
floor were to be defeated, that the matter be referred to the Faculty
of Interdisciplinary Studies in order that the PSA Department and its
curricula could be planned to form a comprehensive interdisciplinary
social science program within that particular Faculty.
S. Smith responded that the charges contained in the July referral
motion had received careful consideration and the recommendations of
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the Academic Planning Committee represent a consensus that the separation
of the department is the most viable solution. K. Rieckhoff added that
the complexity of the problem necessitated first steps toward a complete
solution. D. DeVoretz said it was unrealistic to attempt to assess
extensive concrete proposals within the time permitted and that detailed
analysis should take place in the first instance in the Faculty of Arts.
J. Ellis noted that the Committee had been asked to consider a number
of items and that he did not believe that a fully exhaustive examination
had been called for in the original motion. P. Copes felt the time was
strategic for development of social sciences with current faculty members
who are desirous of rebuilding the disciplines In which they are competent.
E. Burkle considered that bias had been introduced into the report
by the lack of complete documentation. T. Sterling, speaking in favor
of the motion, considered that a strong desire exists at the University
for the development of a sound interdisciplinary program which has not
developed with the operation of PSA. He believed that it would be to the
advantage of the University if concentration were now to be placed on the
development of such an interdisciplinary program.
Commenting on the statement that bias had been Introduced into the
report, S. Smith considered that for practical reasons it would be im-
possible to include all documentation and to summarize all discussions
that took place. He was satisfied that balanced documentation had been
provided.
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Moved by R. Kissner, seconded by A. Hollibaugh,
"That consideration of the motion on the floor
be postponed until the third item on the motion
sheet of S.74-10 is taken under discussion."
Question was called on the motion to postpone, and a vote taken.
MOTION TO POSTPONE FAILED
12 in favor
15 opposed
Speaking in opposition to the motion, R. Kissner stated that he
considered the department's current situation was a result of indecision
and that the discussion taking place regarding the proposed separation
was not based on academic merits of splitting a department. He believed
that separation would result in increased costs to the University, that
the solution suggested was not based on sound academic merits, and was
the easiest way out of a problem. He considered the option which should
be taken would be to engage in development of the PSA Department as it
currently exists. He gave notice of motion that, in the event the motion
on the floor were defeated, Senate approve and recommend approval to the
Board of Governors a comprehensive interdisciplinary social science program
. organized with the PSA Department as a central core be developed for con-
sideration by the Senate and the Board as follows: a) that a Director be
sought who will be given the responsibility for development of a detailed
program proposal for graduate and undergraduate programs; b) that a
steering committee be struck by the Dean of Arts from within the University
consisting of one faculty member and one student from each of Psychology,
History, Economics and Commerce, Geography and Philosophy, and two faculty
members and two students from the PSA Department to work with the program
director in the development and implementation of such proposals.
S. Aronoff considered the solution was to develop strong programs
for political science and sociology/anthropology and the separation of
the PSA Department was an avenue to accomplish this. He noted that no
development can go to the limit of a discipline because of limited re-
sources available to all universities.
Moved by R. Kissner, seconded by A. Hollibaugh,
"That Senate suspend its rules and record a
roll call vote."
It was noted that the motion was not debatable and requires a two-
thirds vote to carry.
Question was called on the motion to suspend the rules, and a vote
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MOTION FAILED
12 in favor
16 opposed
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Question was called on the main motion, and a vote taken.
MOTION CARRIED
23 in favor
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8 opposed
The following Senators requested that their votes be recorded in
the minutes:
In opposition: E. Burkle, J. P. Daem, M. Eliot Hurst,
A. Hollibaugh, R. Kissner.
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J. D'Auria, K. Rieckhoff, S. Smith,
E. Swangard, T. Sterling.
Moved by B. Wilson, seconded by J. Wheatley,
"That immediate planning be undertaken to
investigate the establishment of a genuinely
interdisciplinary program broadly based in
the social sciences."
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In response to a suggestion from J. Munro that an amendment was
required to provide an operational context, as the vehicle for investi-
gation was not the Board of Governors,
An amendment was moved by B. Wilson, seconded by J. D'Auria,
"That Senate approve that immediate planning be
undertaken to investigate the establishment of
a genuinely interdisciplinary program broadly
based in the social sciences and refer the ques-
tion to the Academic Planning Committee for
action."
Question was called on the amendment, and a vote taken.
AMENDMENT CARRIED
Amendment was moved by J. P. Daem, seconded by R. Kissner,
"That Senate approve that immediate planning be
undertaken to establish a genuinely interdisciplinary
program broadly based in the social sciences and the
question be referred to the Academic Planning Com-
mittee for immediate action."
J. P. Daem suggested that this amendment would accelerate the
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that he considered any interdisciplinary program should be thoroughly
investigated before considering Implementation.
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Question was called on the amendment, and a vote taken.
AMENDMENT CARRIED
15 in favor
14 opposed
Amendment was moved by R. Kissner, seconded by A. Hollibaugh,
"That the following be added to the motion,
'Further, a) a steering committee be struck
by the Academic Planning Committee consisting
of one faculty member and one student from
each of Psychology, History, Economics and
Commerce, Geography, Philosophy, Political
Science, Sociology/Anthropology and such other
members as the Academic Planning Committee may
determine necessary to work cooperatively with
the Academic Planning Committee in developing
interdisciplinary proposals, and b) that a
progress report be delivered to Senate at its
meeting in September 1974.'"
It was questioned whether this amendment was in order. The Chairman
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ruled that the amendment was in order, and the ruling was challenged.
Question was called on the challenge. The ruling of the chair was sus-
tained by a vote of 15 to 7.
R. Kissner considered the establishment of a late for a report
to Senate would ensure some progress would be made and the committee
suggested would provide greater participation. R. Sadleir spoke in
opposition to the committee as he did not consider it Senate's responsi-
bility to tell the Academic Planning Committee its job, although he
agreed with the establishment of a date.
Amendment to the amendment was moved by J. Munro, seconded by
J. D'Auria,
"That the words of the amendment be deleted
with the exception of the following: 'Further,
that a progress report be delivered to Senate
at its meeting in September 1974."'
J. Munro said the size of the suggested committee was unworkable
and the establishment of a steering committee of this type would tend
to preclude the participation of members of already constituted com-
mittees in the Faculty of Arts.
Question was called on the amendment to the amendment, and a vote
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Question was called on the amendment,
and a vote
taken.
AMENDMENT CARRIED
The Secretary read the main motion as amended:
"That Senate approve that immediate planning
be undertaken to establish a genuinely inter-
disciplinary program broadly based in the
social sciences, and the question be referred
to the Academic Planning Committee for immediate
action. Further, that a progress repOrt be
delivered to Senate at its meeting in September
1974."
In reply to a question by J. Ellis, the Chairman stated that a
commitment to the establishment of a program would be an approval in
principle by Senate and the Board of Governors. There is a commit-
ment by Senate to an early investigation of this question but it
would not be a commitment until such time as there is a recommendation
and that recommendation is acted on positively by Senate and trans-
mitted to the Board of Governors.
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Question was called on the main motion as amended, and a vote taken.
MAIN MOTION AS AMENDED
CARRIED
6. Senate Committee on Working Paper on University Governance in
British Columbia
1. Paper S.74-11 - Report to Senate
The Chairman requested that K. Okuda, a member of the Committee on
University Governance, report on the present status of the Committee.
K. Okuda advised that the Committee has been instructed to proceed with
its program and that a public hearing is scheduled for Wednesday, January
16, 1974 with Walter Young as Acting Chairman. He added that the
Committee is not precluding further meetings at any of the universities
even if material is not presented on the dates established for any of the
hearings.
In reply to a question by J. P. Daem as to how Senate was to discuss
the paper, the Chairman responded that the recommendation of the Senate
Committee on Agenda and Rules was for debate and discussion on the alter-
natives prior to indicating preferences in rank order. The intention was
to collate the preferences for presentation to the Committee to indicate
the general views of Senate.
Moved by D.
Jamieson,
seconded by J. P. Daem,
"That a Special
Meeting of Senate be called on
Monday,
January
21, 1974 to consider the question."
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J. P. Daem indicated that he did not consider that a preferential
vote method was appropriate and that he was opposed to considering the
matter in that way. He wished to know, if the Special Meeting were
approved, whether items could be distributed in advance, and the
Chairman responded in the affirmative. B. Wilson expressed opposition
and felt that Senate must make substantive judgment. In discussion it
was noted that there were two obvious alternatives, namely that of a
single position on each issue or various degrees of positions on all
issues. A third alternative would be to have established at this stage
various degrees of positions on issues to be followed by a later meeting
to attempt to develop the appropriate single position on the issue.
J. D'Auria suggested it might be appropriate to invite the members of
the Provincial Committee to come and sit in and discuss the topic at
and with Senate.
In response to enquiry from S. Aronoff, the Chairman indicated that
additional items could be added and items could be deleted in terms of
the items as already presented through the Committee report.
A straw vote was taken which indicated 23 members were in favor
of calling a Special Meeting.
S. Aronoff suggested that procedure be developed for speaking and
discussion, and the Chairman said he would hold hearings on how the
. question would be dealt with, and interested Senators were at liberty
to make appointments with him for this purpose. He indicatedthat if
Senators have views which they wish to express that they could be put
together and given to the Secretary for distribution.
Question was called, and a vote taken.
MOTION CARRIED
7. OTHER BUSINESS
1.
Notice of Motion
1. Paper S.74-12 - Recommended Rules of Senate (Senate Committee on
Agenda and Rules)
The Chairman commented that a notice of motion pertaining to Rules
of Senate is advertised one month in advance of discussion.
2.
Date of Next Meeting
It was noted that the next regular meeting of Senate is scheduled
for Monday, February 4, 1974, at 7:30 p.m.
3.
Other Items
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There were no other items.
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4. Confidential Matters
The meeting recessed briefly at 11:00 p.m., prior to moving into
Closed Session.
H. M. Evans
Secretary
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