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DR.FT UNTIL APPROVE]) BY SENATE
MINUTES OF MEETING OF SENATE OF SIMON FRASER UNIVERSITY
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HELD MONDAY MAY 7 1973, 3172 ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, 7:30 P.M.
OPEN SESSION
Present: ?
Strand, K.
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Chairman
Aronoff, S.
Beirne, B. P.
Birch, D. R.
Bradley, R. D.
Brown, R. C.
Copes, P.
Cot, P. T.
Dawson, A. J.
Doherty, P. M.
Ellis, J. F.
Emmott, A. H.
Hollibaugh, A. L.
.Jamieson, D. H.
Kissner, R. F.
Lardner, R. W.
Munro, J. M.
Nair, K. K.
O'Connell, M. S.
Rieckhoff, K. E.
Seager, J. W.
Sullivan, D. H.
Swangard, E. M.
Wagner, P. L.
Weinberg, H.
Wheatley, J.
Wilson, B. G.
Evans, H. M.
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Secretary
Nagel, H. D.
Norsworthy, R.
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Recording Secretary
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Baird, D. A.
Banister, E. W.
Caple, K. P.
Eastwood, G. R.
Eliot Hurst, N. E.
Gilbert, K. L.
MacPherson, A.
Reid, W. D.
Salter, J. H.
Sutherland, G. A.
Williams, W. E.
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Sterling,
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1 PROV.AL OFAGENDA
The agenda was approved as circulated, with the addition of a
paper circulated by the Dean of Education (since numbered S.7377)
fr consideration under Item 7.3. of the agenda.
2.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
B. Beirne pointed out a typographical error on the motion sheet
of Paper S.73-43, which had been repeated in the minutes, wherein the
course entitled "Individual scholarly study in pestology" in the new
Master of Pest Management Program should be designated as BiSc 849-5,
and not 849-3. With this correction, the minutes of the Open Session
of April 2, 1973 were approved as distributed.
3.
BUSINESS ARISING FROM THE MINUTES
K. Rieckhoff noted that Kinesiology 430-3, which had been referred
ty Senate back to SCUS for appropriate discussions between Physics and
Kinesiology, had undergone helpful and favorable discussions between
the two departments with satisfactory resolution of some earlier
problems. The proposals will come forward through SCIJS.
4.
REPORT OF CHAIRMAN
There was no report from the Chairman.
5.
1EPORTS OF COMMITTEES
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Senate Nominating Committee
1. Paper S.73-52 -
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ction - Senate Committee on Non-Credit
Instruction (st
It was noted that nine Senators had been nominated by the Senate
Nominating Committee, and the Secretary indicated that there had been
two additional nominations received. Candidates, therefore, were as
follows:- E. W. Banister, P. N. Doherty, J. F. Ellis, A. H. Emmott,
J. M. Munro, K. K. Nair, E. M. Swangard, H. Weinberg, W. E. Williams,
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E. Eliot Hurst (nominated by A. L. Hollibaugh), A. L. Hollibaugh
(nominated by N. E. Eliot Hurst).
Senators were reminded that under Senate regulations governing
elections at Senate,individuals must vote for exactly the number of
positions to be filled. Ballot papers with votes less than such number
of positions or greater than such number of positions are invalid.
As the ballot count resulted in a tie vote for the last position,
a run-off election between two candidates was conducted.
On the results the following were declared elected to the Senate
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Committee on Non-Credit Instruction (standing):
S.K. 7151,73
Fcr terms of office from date of election
tc September 30, 1975
For terms of office from date of election
to September 30, 1974
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P. M. DOHERTY
J. F. ELLIS
J. M. MIJNRO
E. W. BANISTER
H. WEINBERG
W. E. WILLIAMS
1. Paper S.73-53
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Transfer Credit Policy
Moved by B. Wilson, seconded by K. R.ieckhoff,
"That Senate approve, as set forth in S.73-53, that
the policy statement,
'No transfer credit will be awarded if the average
on all courses undertaken is less than 60% (C),'
be replaced by the statement,
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(C) a student with an average of less than 60%
(C) on all courses undertaken is admitted under
one of the special provisions, transfer credit
will be awarded for all courses passed with a grade
of 60% (C) or higher."
Amendment was moved by A. Hollibaugh, seconded by R. Kissner,
"That the replacing statement be worded, 'When
a student with an average of less than 60% (C)
on all courses undertaken is admitted under one
of the special provisions, transfer credit will
be awarded for all courses passed."
A. HoLlibaugh felt that the amendment would offset discrimination
by allowing credit for D grades. P. Copes disagreed on the grounds
:hat the amendment would be discriminatory in that persons on programs
within this University have balancing effects between D grades and
other grades through the cumulative grade point average, whereas
ersons who transfer in from other institutions do not have their
,grades counted in our cumulative average and the D grades would not
enter into such balancing. B. Wilson commented that the paper should
e referred back to SUAB.
Question was called on the amendment, and a vote taken.
AMENDMENT FAILED
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Moved by J. Ellis, seconded by K. Weinberg,
"That Paper S.73-53 be referred back to the
Senate Undergraduate Admissions Board for
further information."
J.
Ellis said that the admissions policy had been enacted
some time ago and the intent was that there would be a minimum of
exceptions to that policy. He felt if there were large numbers of
exceptions Senate should be apprised of that or the policy should
be amended. J. Munro suggested that SUAB should provide informa-
tion on the number of cases involved.
K.
Rieckhoff countered that there have been precedents but
not in large numbers. R. Brown added that the proposal was not a
substantive change in the admissions policy but merely a change in
the policy statement, and there was no reason for referral.
Question was called on the motion to refer, and a vote taken.
MOTION TO REFER FAILED
Question was called on the main motion, and a vote taken.
MAIN MOTION CARRIED
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3. Senate Committee on Undergraduate Studies
1. New Course Proposals - Faculty of Education
1.
Paper S.73-54 Education 459-4 - Instructional Activities
in Elementary School Physical Education
Moved by D. Birch, seconded by A. Dawson,
"That Senate approve, as set forth
in
S.73-54,
the new course proposal - Education 459-4 -
Instructional Activities in Elementary School
Physical Education."
Question was called, and a vote taken.
MOTION CARRIED
2.
Paper S.73-55 - Minor in Elementary School Physical Education
Moved by D. Birch, seconded by A. Dawson,
"That Senate approve, as set forth in S.73-55, the
Minor in Elementary School Physical Education."
Question was called, and a vote taken.
MOTION CARRIED
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Paper 5.73-56 - Education 452-4 - Field Work and Case
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Studies in Environmental Eduóation
Moved by D. Birch, seconded by S. O'Connell,
"That Senate approve, as set forth in S.73-56,
the new course proposal - Education 452-4 - Field
Work and Case Studies in Environmental Education."
K. Rieckhoff was concerned that there seemed to be an un-
necessary separation of materials and suggested that the course
should more logically be part of thestudies offered in Biology
rather than existing as a separate entity. D. Birch responded on
the premise that there was not a separation or drawing apart but
rather through the course to provide opportunity to focus insights.
Moved by A. Hollibaugh, seconded by D. Sullivan,
"That Paper S.73-56 be referred back to SCUS for
clarification and additional suggestions from
departments as to courses."
P. Wagner suggested that environmental education involves exper-
tise of a number of departments and should be given careful weighing.
D. Birch responded that the course had originated in the Faculty of
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Education but also involved were representatives of Biological
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Science and Geography, and faculty representatives of school and
community agencies interested in the subject. P. Wagner accepted
that there had been some discussions but there had not been formal
departments involved. D. Sullivan argued for referral until the
question of developing an environmental program is resolved. He
expressed his concern over the need for long term rather than
incremental planning. R. Brown commented that the development of a
program in environmental studies was dormant at this time and he was
unable to give any indication that it would be reactivated in the
near future.
Question was called on the motion to refer, and a vote taken.
MOTION TO REFER FAILED
11 in favor
11 opposed
Moved by B. Wilson, seconded by A. Hollibaugh,
"That further discussion of Paper S.73-56 be
postponed until after consideration of Paper
S.73-57."
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Question was called on the motion to postpone discussion,
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a vote taken.
MOTION TO POSTPONE CARRIED
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inor in Environmental Education
Moved by D. Bitch, seconded by S. O'Connell,
"That Senate approve, as set forth in S.73-57,
the Minor in Environmental Education."
Moved by A. }Iollibaugh, seconded by K. Rieckhoff,
"That Paper S.73-57 be referred back to SCUS."
D. Sullivan argued for referral until the proposal has been
re-examined by SCTJS and the Academic Planning Committee and matters
pending on environmental education are settled and brought to
fruition. R. Brown re-emphasized the fact that no work was
currently under way to bring forth other environmental proposals
and stated that this proposal should not be referred on the basis
of any expectations of other forthcoming proposals. P. Copes said
the Economics content could be significantly improved and the minor
could benefit from further consultation. B. Beirne spoke in favor
of referral, expressing his concern over existing confusion amongst
the Biological courses. P. Wagner agreed with the creation of an
environmental program but thought the present proposal was inadequate.
D. Birch pointed out that the education minor is taken only in
addition to an academic major or two academic minors done parallel
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to the education minor, and gave assurance that it was the intention
that there be on-going consultation with departments and that the
program would not remain static. J. Ellis commented that the
definition of environmental education is confusing, that the title
might be reconsidered and narrowed somewhat, and that there is no
guarantee that the academic minors or major will be complementary.
Question was called on the motion to refer, and a vote taken.
MOTION TO REFER CARRIED
3. Paper S.73-56 - Education 452-4 - Field Work and Case
Studies in Environmental Education
Consideration was again undertaken of Paper S.73-56, and K.
R.ieckhoff stated that there was further work required before adoption
of the proposal. R. Brown responded that the two submissions were
not interrelated and that this particular course had been offered as
a non-credit course on two occasions, utilizing faculty members from
various departments, and that it had proven highly successful.
Question was called on the motion to approve Education 452-4,
and a vote taken.
NOTION CARRIED
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5. Paper 8.73-58 - Minor in Early Childhood Education
Moved by D. Birch, seconded by A. Dawson,
"That Senate approve, as set forth in S.73-58,
the Minor in Early Childhood Education."
Question was called, and a vote taken.
MOTION CARRIED
2. New Course Proposals - Faculty of Interdisciplinary Studies
1.
Paper S.73-59 - GS 300-5 - An Introduction to Marxist-
Leninist Criticism of the Arts
Moved by R. Brown, seconded by A. ilollibaugh,
"That Senate approve, as set forth in S.73-59,
the new course proposal for General Studies
300-5 - An Introduction to Marxist-Leninist
Criticism of the Arts."
Question was called, and a vote taken.
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MOTION CARRIED
R. Brown said the proposed motion for waiver of time lag
requirements was not required as the proponents of the course had
decided to delay its offering.
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Paper S.73-60 - GS 302-3 - The I Ching
Moved by R. Brown, seconded by A. Hollibaugh,
"That Senate approve, as set forth in S.73-60,
the new Faculty of Interdisciplinary Studies
course proposal for GS 302-3 - The I Ching."
K. Rieckhoff expressed his misgivings concerning the academic
viability of the course, which was badly argued in the rationale.
He expressed his opposition to offering this course at the 300 level
without prerequisites, and later moved an amendment that the course
be given a number at the 100 level, but the amendment failed for lack
of a seconder. D. Sullivan spoke in favor of the course. J. Wheatley
supported the course but enquired as to the qualifications of the
individual planning to teach It. R. Brown, on a point of order,
identified that it was out of order for Senate to involve itself in
matters of appointment which are clearly a responsibility of the
Board of Governors.
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Moved by P. Doherty, seconded by J. Seager,
"That consideration of Paper S.73-60 be
moved into Closed Session."
P. Doherty noted that discussion of any individual teaching
this course was completely out of order and further consideration
should be in camera. The Chairman noted that under Senate rules
the motion could be spoken to by the mover and only one other in
opposition. H. Weinberg argued that Senate should not be involved
in the question either in Open or Closed Session.
Question was called on the motion to move the subject into
Closed Session, and a vote taken.
MOTION FAILED
Moved by J. Wheatley, seconded by P. Wagner,
"That Paper S.73-60 be referred back to
SCUS for consideration and development of
appropriate rationale."
J. Ellis asked that SCUS verify the underlined words contained
in the Sub-title or Description of the course proposal form:
The first written book of wisdom, philosophy and oracle,
which serves as the vehicle for understanding the
patterns of change which govern all life, and which has
acted as a guide for leaders and scholars throughout
history.
Question was called on the motion to refer, and a vote taken.
NOTION TO REFER CARRIED
3. Paper S.73-61 - CS 303-3 - Chinese Literature in Translation
Moved by R. Brown, seconded by A. Hollibaugh,
"That Senate approve, as set forth in S73-61,
the new Faculty of Interdisciplinary Studies
course proposal for GS 303-3 - Chinese Literature
in Translation."
Moved by K. Rieckhoff, seconded by P. Doherty,
"That Paper S.73-61 be referred back to SCUS
for rationale."
Question was called on the motion to refer, and a vote taken.
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3. Paper S.73-62 -.Cross-Listing of Courses
Moved by B. Wilson, seconded by
A.
Exninott,
"That Senate approve, as set forth in S.73-62,
that each course have only one department desig-
nation, number and title."
It was noted that a course could be listed for use in several
departments, but in each case under its single designation.
Question was called, and a vote taken.
NOTION CARRIED
4. Academic Planning Committee
1. Paper S.73-63 - Computing Science Program
Moved by R. Bradley, seconded by R. Brown,
"That Senate approve the Undergraduate
Computing Science major, honors and minor
degree programs and courses as set forth
in Paper S.73-63."
Dr. T. Sterling was invited to sit at Senate to respond to
questions.
Amendment was moved by R. Lardner, seconded by K. Rieckhoff,
"That the course proposed as Computing Science
124 be given the title Math 104."
R. Lardner explained that there had been considerable discussion
between Mathematics and Computing Science on this particular course
and there were obviously some misunderstandings by the bodies that
recommended that it be Computing Science 124. He described that the
Mathematics Department had developed the particular course and approved
it internally. The Senate Committee on Undergraduate Studies, however,
had recommended that the course be
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Computing Science 124 rather than
Math 104, as desired by the Mathematics Department. He noted that
Mathematics 205 had been an introductory course involving computing
science but that it had earlier been agreed to drop this course, and
this had been done, with the proposal that a course in Numerical Analy-
sis be developed and added. It was intended that this be in Mathematics,
and the Mathematics Department has a faculty member particularly quali-
fied in that area. In the discussions which had been undertaken between
Computing Science and Mathematics there had been understanding that there
would be dual listing of courses with intent to utilize both titles.
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This process had been denied by the motions which were approved on cross-
listing. He noted that the proposed course had been discussed with the
Steering Committee in Computing Science and with the understanding of
the Mathematics title. He emphasized that the course is a Numerical
Analysis course in the field of applied mathematics, an area that the
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Mathematics Department has been teaching since 1966. In the development
of the course arrangements had been made for a student to work through-
out the entire summer preparing materials. He read from memoranda from
Dr. Sterling and indicated that there was violation of agreements. SCUS
apparently had been under the impression that the course would be one in
arithmetic for Computing Science, but in truth the course could be used
both there and for other students. He agreed that there was no overlap
in content between that course and other Mathematics courses, but there
was an overlap in function with Mathematics 100. He anticipated that
with the introduction of the course much of the role of the present
Mathematics 100 would be subsumed. The course, therefore, should be in
tae Mathematics Department. It was noted that the full intention is to
have the course taught by the Mathematics Department.
B. Wilson indicated that the new program represents a number of
new ventures and that it includes a core of material which will be
handled by a small group of individuals with many of the major pieces
taught by faculty from many other departments. Changes in the program
would be the responsibility of the Steering Committee. He did not con-
sider that staffing was really an issue, but that the question was one
cf whether the course was one of an integral part of the program or a
service course to the program. He indicated that R. Lardner had just
provided new information not known earlier to him.
T. Sterling indicated that the Steering Committee had not had an
opportunity to review the whole proposal after the decisions of SCUS
and the Academic Planning Committee in relation to cross-listing.
Further discussion was held concerning the nature of the listing of
ouch courses under the single designation but including the information
:Ln pertinent departments.
R. Brown indicated that some of the information provided by R.
:ardner was also new to him and he was prepared to consider this. He
was now aware that the course would not merely be a service-course for
computing Science, but that it would form a major part of the Mathematics
program. The concern of Computing Science was not so much one of title
but rather of the nature of interaction and decision making with respect
to the way courses significant to the Computing Science program are
handled in other Departments.
Question was called on the amendment, and a vote taken.
AMENDMENT CARRIED
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R. Kissner indicated that he wished to ensure that the needs of
students were being considered and enquired whether the program was
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designed for those who wish to enter graduate studies in the field, or
whether it took into consideration job market opportunities. He also
wished to know the nature of student input to the developments and
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whether there had been opportunity for comments and criticism from other
institutions. T. Sterling responded that the proposal had been discussed
with delegations of students and some courses had been added on the basis
of student representations. It was also noted that the courses had been
dtscussed with many departmental committees and the students sitting on
such committees. The program was designed for those who wish to go into
graduate work and was also designed to provide opportunities for job
employment. The proposal had been set to all of the departments of
S'.mon Fraser University to provide opportunity for discussion and comment
and it had also been discussed with a number of others who teach in the
Computing Science areas elsewhere.
J. Ellis wished to know what consideration had been given to arti-
culating this program with that of BCIT. T. Sterling indicated there had
been some discussion with persons from BCIT and from the colleges, and
that BCIT representatives did not foresee likelihood of large numbers of
tieir students wanting to transfer to this program. He noted that there
was provision for a placement examination and that the courses were open
t3 Course Challenge.
Vote was undertaken on the main motion as amended.
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MAIN MOTION AS AMENDED
CARRIED
23 in favor
Moved by R. Bradley, seconded by R. Brown,
"That Senate waive the normal two semester time
lag requirement in order that the Undergraduate
Computing Science major, honors and minor degree
programs and courses may be first offered in the
Fall semester 73-3."
Question was called, and a vote taken.
MOTION CARRIED
(The new program proposal will be transmitted to the Board of Governors
for approval.)
D. Birch asked for advice as to the correct procedure for requesting
examination of the question of transfer credit, and the Chairman responded
that a notice of motion would serve that purpose.
6. REPORTS OF FACULTIES AND DIVISIONS
There were no reports from Faculties or Divisions.
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7. OTHER BUSINESS
1. Notice of Motion
Paper S.73-64 -
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Proposal for Senate Committee on Agenda and Rules
(J. N. Munro)
Moved by J. Munro, seconded by P. Wagner,
"That the Ad Hoc Committee to Review Senate
Procedures and Establish Codification be
discharged."
Question was called, and a vote taken.
MOTION CARRIED
Moved by J. Munro, seconded by P. Doherty,
"That the name of the current Agenda Committee
be amended to 'The Senate Committee on Agenda
and Rules.
Question was called, and a vote taken.
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MOTION CARRIED
Moved by J. Munro, seconded by P. Doherty,
"That the terms of reference be amended to read:
1)
To advise the Chairman in determining the
items for the open and closed agendas of Senate.
2)
To recommend to Senate rules and procedures
for the conduct of its business."
J. Munro stated that in his opinion the appropriate committee
with responsibility for rules appeared to be the Senate Agenda Committee,
nd he was hopeful that a standing committee of Senate would prove to
1e diligent.
Question was called, and a vote taken.
MOTION CARRIED
Moved by J. Munro, seconded by P. Doherty,
"That Senate instruct the Senate Committee on
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Agenda and Rules to recommend to the August 1973
meeting of Senate rules and procedures for the
conduct of its business. In preparing its recom-
mendation the Committee should:
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a) bear in mind Senate's current and precedent
procedural experience and the charge to the
now defunct Ad Hoc Committee to Review Senate
Procedures and Establish Codification; and
b) examine the desirability of all Senate Committees
presenting annual reports to Senate and the appro-
priate disposition of such reports.
J. Munro said that in specifying a date for submission he was
hopeful that Senate would be supplied with revised rules and procedures;
that the inclusion of the charges to the Ad Hoc Committee was intended
to direct attention to those terms of reference; and the desirable
innovation in the development of Senate and its establishment as part
of the government of the University is for liaison promoted by debate
and action on annual reports supplied by Senate Committees.
Amendment was moved by B. Wilson, seconded by K. Rieckhoff,
"That the word. 'August'. be struck-and replaced
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B. Wilson was of the opinion that the August deadline would not
provide sufficient time for the Committee to. comply with the charges.
Question was called on the amendment, and a vote taken.
CARRIED
Question was called on the motion as amended, and a vote taken.
MOTION
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a. Date of Next Meetin&
It was noted that the next meeting of Senate
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Monday, June 4, 1973, at .7:30 p.m.
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3. Other Items
Paper S.73-77 Vernon Proposal'. . .
Moved by D. Birch, seconded by J. Ellis,
"That Senate approve that the Faculty of Education
be authorized to offer Education 401 and Education
402 in Vernon, P.C. in the Fall semester 1973.."
In reply to a question by J. Munro as to a general policy on the
offering of extramural or off-campus courses, the Chairman replied that
the generic responsibility had been that of Continuing Education, but
this proposal was for the offering of Education courses
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advised
that six out of twelve months of the Professional
Development Program are spent in the field in school placements, and
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Faculty was asking that an additional two month period be allotted
for the offering of Education 402 away from the campus so that it is an
integral element rather than an isolated course. As an integral part
of the Professional Development Program it would be offered by the
Faculty of Education rather than through the
Division of Continuing
Education.
Question was called, and a vote taken.
MOTION CARRIED
4. Confidential Matters
The Open Session of Senate adjourned briefly at 10:20 p.m... prior
to moving into Closed Session.
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