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DRAFT UNTIL APPROVED BY SENATE
MINUTES OF MEETING OF SENATE OF SIMON FRASER UNIVERSITY
HELD MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 11, 1972- 3172 ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, 7:30 P.M.
OPEN SESSION
PRESENT:
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Strand, K.
Aronoff, S.
Baird, D. A.
Beirne, B. P.
Birch, D. R.
Bradley, R. D.
Brown, R. C.
Copes, P.
Doherty, P. N.
Eliot Hurst, N. E.
Einmott, A. R.
Gilbert, K. L.
Hollibaugh, A. L.
Kissner, R. F.
MacPherson, A.
Munro, J. N.
O'Connell, N. S.
Rieckhoff,
K.
E.
Robinson, N.
Salter, J H.
Seager, J. W.
Sullivan, D. H.
Wagner, P. L.
Weinberg, H.
Wheatley, J.
Williams, W. E.
Wilson, B. G.
Chairman
Evans, H. N.
McGinn, N.
Meyers, D. A.
ABSENT: ?
Caple, K. P.
Cote, P. T.
Dawson, A. J.
Hodge, F. D.
Jamieson, D. H.
Lardner, R. W.
Nair, K. K.
Reid, W. D.
Sutherland, G. A.
Swangard, E. N.
Secretary
Recording Secretary
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I. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
SThe agenda was approved as distributed.
2.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
The minutes of the Open Session of August 7, 1972, were approved
as circulated.
3.
BUSINESS ARISING FROM THE MINUTES
There was no business arising from the minutes of the Open Session
of August 7th.
4.
REPORT OF CHAIRMAN
Paper S.72-97 - Student Hospital and Medical Insurance Coverage
This paper was presented for information.
5.
REPORTS OF COMMITTEES
1. Senate Nominating Committee
Paper S.72-98 - Elections to Senate and Related Committees
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The Secretary reported that in addition to the names proposed for
the various committees by the Senate Nominating Committee, as noted in
Paper S.72-98, additional nominations have been made by Senators as
follows:-
For the Senate Library Committee, P.L.Wagner proposed by
D.A.Baird; for the Senate Nominating Committee, M.E.Eliot
Hurst proposed by A.L.Hollibaugh.
It was noted that formal ballot elections would be required for
the Senate Library Committee and for the Senate Nominating Committee,
but that election would be by acclamation to the other committees.
Moved by A.Ennnott, seconded by K.Rieckhoff,
"That the individuals nominated
Committee on Honorary Degrees,
Penalties Appeal Committee, to
graduate Admissions Board, and
Committee on Undergraduate Stw
elected by acclamation."
to the Senate
to the Library
the Senate Under-
to the Senate
lies be declared
MOTION CARRIED
The elections were as follows:-
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Senate Committee on Honorary Degrees
One Faculty of Education Senator to replace R.J.C.Harper from
date of election, for no specified term of office.
N. ROBINSON
Library Penalties Appeal Committee
One Student Senator to replace G.Donetz from date of election,
for no specified term of office.
R. F. KISSNER
Senate
Un
dergraduate Admissions Board
Two Student Senators to replace R.F.Kissner and K.L.Gilbert.
Term of office is for one year from October 1, 1972, to September
30, 1973.
P. N. DOHERTY
R. F. KISSNER
One Student Senator to replace the alternate member, P.N.Doherty.
Term of office is for one year from October 1, 1972, to September
30, 1973.
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K. L. GILBERT
One Senator at large to replace K.E.Rieckhoff. Term of office is
for two years from October 1, 1972, to September 30, 1974.
K. E. RIEQCHOFF
Senate Committee on Undergraduate Studies
One Student Senator to replace K.L.Gilbert. Term of office is for
two years from October 1, 1972, to September 30, 1974.
K. L. GILBERT
Balloting was undertaken and results tabulated and those with
the higher number of votes declared elected as follows:-
Senate Library Committee
Election of three Senators at large to replace
A.
L.Hollibaugh, M.E.
Eliot Hurst, and P.L.Wagner on the Senate Library Committee from
October 1, 1972, to September 30, 1973. Candidates were A.L.
Hollibaugh,
J.N.Nunro, K.K.Nair, P.L.Wagner.
Declared elected:
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J. N. MTJNRO
K. K. NAIR
P. L. WAGNER
Declared elected:
B.
P.
BEIRNE
R.
C.
BROWN
A.
J.
DAWSON
R.
F.
KISSNER
W.
E.
WILLIAMS
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Senate Nominating Committee
Election of five Senators at large to replace S.Aronoff, D.R.Birch,
K.L.Gilbert, K.K.Nair, and N.S.O'Conej
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Term of office from
October 1, 1972, to September 30, 1973. Candidates were B.P.Beirne,
R.C.Brown, A.J.Dawson, M.E.Eliot Hurst, R.F.Kissner, W.E.Wiflj•
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2. Senate Committee on Under1jate Studies
I. Paper
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Bachelor of General Studies Degree Requirements
Moved by R.Brown, seconded by K.Rieckhoff,
"That Senate approve that the requirements for the
Bachelor of General Studies Degree, as shown in
the current Undergraduate Calendar, Page 269, be
modified by adding the following to the appropriate
paragraph: 'With the exception of Education 401-8,
402-7 and 405-15'."
NOTION CARRIED
It was noted that the section would then read as follows: "With
the exception of Education 401-8, 402-7 and 405-15
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from any of the existing Faculties may be used to satisfy the require-
ments for the degree, but students are cautioned that they are subject
to the prerequisite requirements of the various departments. For this
reason it is essential that students entering the program contact the
Dean's Office for counselling and advising."
2. Paper S.72-100 - Division of General Studies - New Course Proposal -
Kinesiology 366-3
Moved by R.Brown, seconded by R.Bradley,
"That Senate approve the new course proposal,
Kinesiology 366-3, as set forth in Paper S.72-100."
S.Aronoff enquired as to whether this course belonged in the
Kinesiology Department or in the Psychology Department, questioned
whether Psychology 180 might,-be a better prerequisite than the
Psychology 201 proposed in the paper, and thought that some Science
courses might be useful as prerequisites. R.Brown, as Dean of the
Division of General Studies, indicated that he could not answer all
technical questions but noted that the course had been offered under
different titles previously through Directed Readings, that there had
been no complaint from the Department of Psychology, that the specific
questions had not been raised with that Department.
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H.Weinberg (Psychology) indicated that if the course be
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offered then Psychology 201 is the proper prerequisite. He noted
that much of what is proposed to be taught is taught in the
Department of Psychology in various courses but in depth. He felt
that if combination was made as proposed there might be inadequacy
of teaching.
Moved by K.Rieckhoff, seconded by B.Wilson,
"That the new course proposal, Kinesiology 366-3,
be referred back to the Senate Committee on
Undergraduate Studies with a specific request
that the Committee consult with the Psychology
Department before 'ringing the course back to
Senate for approval."
R.Brown objected to referral on the ground that there is a need
for a single course for this particular discipline, and the fact
that there are five courses in Psychology required to cover the
material would not meet the needs.
K.Rieckhoff stated that there was serious question whether or
not the course could be offered meaningfully in one lecture and two
tutorials when it is offered through five courses in the other
department. Scrutiny was required.
A.MacPherson opposed referral on the assumption that the Senate
Committee would have performed its job adequately.
S.Aronoff indicated that he had discussed the matter with the
Chairman of the Committee and that these particular questions had
not been asked.
D.Sulflvan was in favour of referral and noted that the Committee
had not been clearly instructed as to its tasks and that it should be
told clearly what was expected.
Vote was called on the motion to refer.
MOTION TO REFER CARRIED
3. Paper S.72-101 - Changes in English Department Calendar Regulations
Moved by D.Sullivan, seconded by K.Rieckhoff,
"That Senate approve changes in the English Department
calendar regulations, as set forth in Paper S.72-101,
with the changed regulation to read as follows:
MAJORS IN ENGLISH
Normally a Simon Fraser University English major shall
obtain credit or standing
in
five lower division English
courses, as follows:
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a)
Any two of English ioi, 102 and 103,
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and
b)
Both of English 202 and 203 (or 111 or 201
in place of either),
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and
c)
Any one of English ioi, 102, 103, 212 and
225 - or transfer credit for some English
Simon
course
Fraser
which has
University.
no direct
Compo
eq
uivalent
sition
at
courses
of a purely remedial nature are not accepted
for transfer credit and therefore do not
satisfy this category.
English
12
in
English
majors
satisfying
with 60 transfer
all or
credits,
partof both
including
category a) and category b) above, will be given
req
an
uirements,
automatic waiver
and may
of
im
lower
mediately
division
enter
English
the majors
program. Students with 57 transfer credits may be
given the same waiver on application to the depart-
period.
least
before
ment,
one
at
r
egistration
its
day
discretion.
before
if
the
P
r
end
Applications
acticable;
of the
otherwise
cour
must
se
—be
change
at
made
A student may declare an intended Major in English
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advisers
and come
at
under
any
the
time,
g
uidance
but his
of
declaration
the Department'sshall
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not be considered official until that semester in
which he attains his 61st academic credit. Before
Major
or
later,
during
to
he
the
Should
that
Department.
semester,
make a formal
at
prerDe
egistration
claration of
or
In his upper level studies an English major may
follow either Plan A or Plan B, for a minimum of
30 credits in 400
—
range English."
D.Sullivan pointed out this change allows the student to declare
powers
that
an English
there
to the
is
Major
a
department.
section
at any
in
time
(In
the
and
later
General
that
discussion
it
Regulations
gives
the
certain
of
Se
the
cretary
dis
Faculty
cretionary
identified
of
Arts Pertaining to intended Majors and formal declaration of Majors
with the proposal from the Department of English consistent with
that
regulation).
J.Munro enquired whether or not the proposal would open a number
of doors. D.Sulljvan indicated that this aspect had not been questioned
or opposed by any of the departments when under
consideration
by the
Faculty of Arts Curriculum Committee.
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K.Gilbert stated that preference was being given to transfer
students over Simon Fraser University students in that transfer
students were called upon to show completion of 12 semester hours
whereas internal students required 15.
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Amendment was moved by K.Gilbert, seconded by A.Hollibaugh,
"That 'English Majors with 60 transfer credits,
including 12 in English' be amended to read
'English Majors with 60 transfer credits,
including 15 in English'."
J.Seager was concerned that there was evidence of a double
standard and that this might lead to similar proposals from various
departments. D.Sullivan noted that a double standard was being
applied in the English Department and that it should be recognized
that what might be practicable and reasonable in one department might
not be so in another department. J.Seager enquired concerning
transfer credit from colleges and lists of approved courses, and
whether or not the availability of such lists would remove necessity
for the proposal. The Secretary noted the purpose of the regulation
and explained that a number of colleges do not offer more than 12
hours of transfer credit in English, with the purpose of the paper
to facilitate transfer arrangements, noting also that students
internally with 57 hours could enter the upper division English
courses.
D.Sullivan questioned the desirability of internal students being
required to undertake 15 hours with external students offering 12.
R.Brown spoke in opposition to the amendment.
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Vote on the amendment was undertaken.
AMENDMENT FAILED
Amendment was proposed by K.Gilbert and R.Kissner to change the
requirement of five lower division English courses to four for internal
students and all students and that the 15 hours required internally and
externally become 12. The Chairman suggested that this involved
deletion of Requirement (c) and enquired whether there was any objection
to such deletion noting that if there were no objections this would be
subsumed. Objection was expressed by J.Wheatley. K.Rieckhoff believed
that the paper should be referred back and Senate should not attempt to
make such adjustments at its meeting.
Moved by J.Munro, seconded by K.Rieckhoff,
"That Paper S.72-101 - Changes in English Department
Calendar Regulations, be referred back to the Senate
Committee on Undergraduate Studies, noting the
proposed amendment and questions raised, for further
consideration before resubmission to Senate."
A.Emmott spoke in favour of referral on the grounds that it would
be inappropriate for Senate to attempt such changes without considera-
tion by the Department concerned. R.Kissner spoke against referral on
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the grounds that many students at this institution only take one
English course per semester, that difficulty is encountered in
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following clearly all regulations and that special treatment should
not be given to external candidates.
Vote was undertaken on the motion to refer.
MOTION TO REFER CARRIED
B.Wilson indicated that in future he would attempt to ensure
that the Chairman or some other representative of SCUS would be
available for discussions of this type.
S.Aronoff was concerned with the nature of co-ordination between
Senate and SCUS and suggested that the Secretary might provide Senate
with copies of the Minutes c. SCUS covering such items. This matter
will be investigated.
6.
REPORTS OF FACULTIES AND DIVISIONS
There were no reports of Faculties or Divisions.
7.
OTHER BUSINESS
1.
Notice of Motion
There were no notices of motion.
2.
Date of Next Meeting
It was noted that the next meeting of Senate is scheduled for
Monday, October 2, 1972, at 7:30 p.m.
3.
Other Items
There were no other items.
4. Confidential Matters
The meeting recessed briefly at 8:45 p.m. prior to moving into
Closed Session.
H. N. Evans
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