DRAFT UNTIL APPROVED BY SENATE 

MINUTES OF MEETING OF SENATE OF SIMON FRASER UNIVERSITY 

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HELD MONDAY, OCTOBER 

5, 1970,

EAST CONCOURSE CAFETERIA, 

7:30 P.M.

OPEN SESSION 

PRESENT: 

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,Strand, K. T. ? 

Chairman 

,Baird, D. A. 

Basham, G. D. 

Birch, D. R. 

Bradley, R. D. 

Burstein, K. R. 

Funt, B. L. 

Hamilton, C. L. 

,Hamilton, W. M. 

,Harper, R.J.C. 

-Lachlan, A. H. 

' McAninch, J. R. 

'Nugridge, I. 

,O'Connell, M. S. 

Pate, B. D. 

Rieckhoff, K. E. 

,Rogow, R. 

Sadleir, R.M.F.S. 

Stratton, S. T. 

Sullivan, D. H. 

Turnbull, A. L. 

- Weinberg, H. 

Wilson, B. C. 

Evans, H. M. 

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Secretary 

Kelsey, I. B. 

Norsworthy, Mrs. R. 

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Recording Secretary 

- Campbell, M. J. 

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Caple, K. P. 

Claridge, R. W. 

• Drache, Mrs. S. 

.Ellis, J. F. 

Freiman, Mrs. L. 

Hean, A.F.C. 

Kenward, J. K. 

McDougall, A. H., 

,McLean, C. H. 

Vidaver, W. E. 

Alexander, H. L. 

Bumsted, J. M. 

Chase, J. 

Hobler, P. N. 

Meakin, D. 

ABSENT: 

IN ATTENDANCE: 

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The Chairman called upon the Secretary of Senate to read the 

results of recent elections to Senate. H. Evans announced that 

the Faculty of Education had elected D. R. Birch from September 21, 

1970

to May 

31, 1971,

replacing B. R. D'Aoust for the remainder of 

his term of office; and that Joint Faculty had elected B. D. Pate 

from September 

15, 1970

to July 

31, 1971,

to temporarily replace 

R. L. Carlson; and R.M.F.S. Sadleir from September 

30, 1970

to

December 

31, 1970,

to temporarily replace R. C. Brown. 

Moved by K. Rieckhoff, seconded by D. Baird, 

"That the newly elected Senators be seated 

on Senate." 

MOTION CARRIED 

Senators Birch, Pate and Sadleir were welcomed by the Chairman 

and were seated on Senate. 

1. APPROVAL OF AGENDA 

The agenda was approved as circulated. 

2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES 

The minutes of the Open Session of September 

14, 1970

were 

approved as distributed. 

3.

BUSINESS ARISING FROM THE MINUTES 

There was no business arising from the minutes. 

4.

REPORT OF CHAIRMAN 

There was no report by the Chairman. 

5.

REPORTS OF COMMITTEES 

a) Academic Planning Committee 

i) Paper 

S.406 -

Proposed Archaeological Studies Program 

B. Wilson asked Senate to be prepared to recognize resource 

people in connection with the submission from the Academic Planning 

Committee, and advised that Professors Alexander and Hobler from 

Archaeological Studies, and Dr. J. M. Bumsted of the History 

Department, were standing by to speak to the papers on the Proposed 

Archaeological Studies Program and the Proposed Arts Program. 

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Moved by D. Sullivan, seconded by K. Rieckhoff, 

"That the proposal contained in Paper S.406, 

which is that Archaeological Studies become 

a Department and be permitted to offer the 

minimum program described within the document, 

be adopted." 

D. Sullivan explained that the proposal had gone through the 

necessary academic processes of the Faculty and the Academic 

Planning Committee, and that it could require more time and space 

but would entail structural changes to an existing program. He 

stated that the program necessary to mount the minimum core 

courses would not necessarily require more monetary resources 

than are at present available. It was also pointed out that 

students would be able to receive major and honors work for a 

B.A. degree in Archaeological Studies. He requested that Professors 

Hobler and Alexander, the proposers of the program, be permitted to 

speak and to answer questions Senators had on the proposal. 

The representatives from Archaeological Studies stated that 

archaeology is a discipline of its own and as such should be recog- 

nized as a department on its own, similar to other departments with- 

in the Faculty of Arts. 

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They distributed copies of a proposed schedule of course offer- 

ings for the program (a paper subsequently numbered S.406a). 

Senators then asked questions of Professors Alexander and 

Hobler and Dean Sullivan with regard to archaeology being a distinct 

discipline and how transfer students would fit into the proposed 

schedule. 

Moved by L. Funt, seconded by A. Turnbull,? 

"That the question be divided." 

As there was no objection, the question was divided and the 

motion on the floor then read, 

"That Archaeological Studies be permitted 

to offer the minimum program described in 

Paper S.406." 

S. Stratton enquired whether the proposal had been considered 

by the Academic Planning Committee, and whether it was considered a 

new program. The Chairman indicated that it had been considered, 

that the program was not considered new, but the portion relating 

to establishment of a Department was new. 

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D. Sullivan emphasized that the core program could be mounted 

with available resources. He was supported by K. Rieckhoff who 

stated that as there is no comparative program existing in the 

province, as considerable interest has been shown in it by students, 

as it is academically sound, and as it requires no additional funds 

immediately, the program should be established. 

Question was called on the motion, "That Archaeological Studies 

be permitted to offer the minimum program described in Paper S.406," 

and a vote taken. 

NOTION CARRIED 

Debate then commenced on the other part of the divided question, 

reading, 

"That the proposal contained in Paper S.406, 

that Archaeological Studies become a Depart- 

ment, be adopted." 

D. Sullivan specified that departments and schools that have 

achieved academic status are recognized as distinct groups within 

a university, and added that, as a Department, Archaeological Studies 

would have sole jurisdiction over its own students and could recommend 

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its own degree candidates. 

R. harper spoke strongly in favor of interdisciplinary studies 

and opposed the concept of separate departments for specific disci- 

plines. B. Wilson felt that there were insufficient faculty members 

within the program initially to establish the area as a department at 

this time. A. Turnbull did not approve of granting departmental 

status which would place Archaeological Studies in a priority bargain- 

ing position for access to resources and implementation of its programs. 

H. Weinberg supported the motion in that the proposal was for an 

interdisciplinary department. W. Hamilton agreed that Senate should 

approve the proposal and forward its decision to the Board of Governors 

for action when the necessary resources are available. 

It was pointed out by Dr. Strand that approval of this motion did 

not mean immediate implementation. Implementation would be worked out 

by theAàademic Planning Committee. 

Question was called on the question to establish Archaeological 

Studies as a Department, and a vote taken. 

MOTION CARRIED 

10 in favor? 

7 opposed 

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(Note: Five new courses were included in Paper S.436 - Archaeology 

371-5, Archaeology Theory; Archaeology 

375-5, 

Fossil Man; 

Archaeology 474-5, Regional Studies in Archaeology - North 

America - Southwest; Archaeology 475-5, Regional Studies in 

Archaeology - North America - Arctic; Archaeology 476-5, 

Regional Studies in Archaeology - North America - Northwest 

Pacific. 

Paper S.406 was approved, with the section pertaining to 

establishment of a Department to await implementation through 

the Academic Planning Committee and Board. Dates for intro- 

duction of the above courses were included in the paper, but 

under Senate Rules, as no waiver motion was passed, the 

courses could not be introduced for at least two semesters, 

i.e. prior to Fall 71-3.) 

ii) Paper S.407 - Proposed Arts Program 

Moved by U. Sullivan, seconded by I. Mugridge, 

"That the Arts program, as outlined in Paper 

S.407, be approved in principle with the 

understanding that the specific extent of its 

implementation and requested fundings will be 

explored by the Academic Planning Committee." 

D. Sullivan introduced the paper covering the Proposed Arts 

Program and stated that it had been through the procedure outlined 

for new programs. He added that the proposal was a way of offering 

courses throughout the University on an interdisciplinary basis, 

that it was a way to test a number of ideas on course offerings 

with the same control on course quality as at present, and that it 

was a way to make optimal use of elective courses and available 

resources. He said that the Faculty would like to experiment with 

quality control on material not now available in the regular cur- 

riculum. 

He emphasized that it was a pilot program, and that courses 

indicated suggested examples only. He noted the need for constraints. 

He stressed tiiatany course proposed would be fully reviewed by the 

Faculty of Arts Curriculum Committee and only then would come forward 

to Senate with expectation of careful review by this body. 

R. Rogow indicated that some of his reservations were reduced 

by the assurances given by the Dean on rationing, criteria, and 

method of review before introduction, but expressed some concern 

because of lack of clarity, with particular reference to claims of 

experimental, imaginative and cooperative. 

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Dean Sullivan suggested there would be time-lag from original 

suggestion to possible introduction of a course, to ensure adequate 

study of criteria, competence and resources. 

C. Hamilton expressed concern on the vagueness of recommenda- 

tions, and asked for clarification on the position of the Department 

of English. Dean Sullivan indicated that the majority of members in 

English would 

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prefer to proceed even further than suggested, but do 

not have the resources. 

Professor J. Bumsted, of the History Department, answered a 

number of questions on the innovative and imaginative nature of the 

program, with several Senators claiming that the samples of programs 

shown exhibited little in the way of imagination or innovation. 

Amendment was moved by G. Basham, seconded by R. McAninch, 

"That the second sentence of the second 

main paragraph of Paper S.407 be amended 

to read, 'The Steering Committee, which 

will include three students - one from 

each of the Faculties - selected by the 

Student Society, acting as a curriculum 

committee for the program, will operate 

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under the following general ground rules,"' 

K. Rieckhoff enquired how students would be in a better position 

than faculty to assess genuine student demand for the proposed courses, 

to which G. Basham replied that students should not be denied the 

opportunity to select the faculty member who would teach an innovative 

and imaginary course. 

Question was called on the amendment, and a vote taken. 

AMENDMENT CARRIED 

9 in favor 

1 opposed 

Many questions were presented by Senators. Query was raised on 

the suggestion of a Pass/Fail approach. D. Sullivan indicated that 

if this were proposed for any suggested course, it would come to 

Senate for consideration. 

W. Hamilton and K. Burstein indicated serious reservations. 

Discussion then centered on a comparison of the proposed programs 

with the General Education courses. It was suggested that credit be 

given for General Education courses rather than mount this new proposal. 

There was disagreement in the body. 

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Moved by B. Wilson, seconded by I. Mugiidge, 

"That the Arts Program as outlined in 

Paper S.407 be referred back to the 

Academic Planning Committee for further 

study." 

Question was called on the motion to refer, and a vote taken. 

MOTION TO REFER CARRIED 

iii) Paper S.408 - Proposed Computing Science Program 

Moved by L. Funt, seconded by A. Lachlan, 

"That Senate approve establishment in 

principle of a program in Computing 

Science as outlined in Paper S.408." 

L. Funt outlined the background material and stated that the 

program represents one in wide use in major universities in North 

America. He said the Faculty of Science had recommended that the 

program be a viable part of the Department of Mathematics, with a 

long term possibility of it becoming a separate department. He 

stressed the opinion that the program would fill a real need within 

the University, and that under earlier procedures it was given 

priority one in the Science Faculty. 

A. Lachlan said that the general trend of the Department of 

Mathematics view was for some scaling down of the program and of 

altering the emphasis from a specialized to a service aspect, 

partly because of the inception of a similar program at UBC. 

Moved by K. Burstein, seconded by R. Bradley, 

"That Paper S.408 be referred back to the 

Academic Planning Committee to seek rele- 

vant information and submit a recommendation 

to Senate." 

It was pointed out by B. Wilson, Academic Vice-President, that 

in future the Academic Planning Committee would indeed make a 

recommendation on acceptance, rejection, or modification of programs 

brought before it. 

Question was called on the motion to refer, and a vote taken. 

MOTION TO REFER CARRIED 

10 in favor ? 

6 opposed 

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6. REPORTS OF FACULTIES ? 

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There were no reports of Faculties. 

7. OTHER BUSINESS 

a)

Notices of Motion 

There were no notices of motion. 

b)

Date of Next Meeting 

It was noted that the next meeting of Senate will be on Monday, 

November 9, 1970, due to the timing of the A.U.C.C. meeting. 

c)

Other Items 

There were no other items. 

d)

Confidential Matters 

The meeting recessed briefly at 10:35 p.m. prior to moving into 

Closed Session. 

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H. M. Evans 

Secretary 

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