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MINUTES OF MEETING OF SENATE OF SIMON FRASER UNIVERSITY? 

HELD MONDAY, MAY 11, 1970, EAST CONCOURSE CAFETERIA, 7:30 P.M. 

OPEN SESSION 

PRESENT: 

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Strand, K. T. 

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Chairman 

Baird, D. A. 

Barlow, J. S. 

Bradley, R. D. 

Brown, R. C. 

Burstein, K. R. 

Campbell, M. J. 

Carlson, R. L. 

Claridge, R. W. 

Freiman, 

Mrs. 

L.

Hutchinson, J. F. 

Lachlan, A. H. 

Lebowitz, M. A. 

Rieckhoff, K. E. 

Rogow, R. 

Stratton, S. T. 

Sullivan, D. H. 

Turnbull, A. L. 

Vidaver, W. E. 

Walkley, J. 

Wassermann, Mrs. S. 

Evans, H. H. 

Kelsey, I. B. 

Norsworthy, Mrs. R. 

ABSENT: ? Basham, G. D. 

Caple, K. P. 

Cole, R. E. 

Drache, Mrs. S. 

Hamilton, W. N. 

Hean, A.F.C. 

Kenward, J. K. 

Kirchner, G. 

McDougall, A. H. 

McLean, C. H. 

Perry, G. N. 

Sayre, J. 

Secretary 

Recording Secretary 

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1.

APPROVAL OF AGENDA 

The agenda was approved as distributed. 

2.

APPROVAL OF MINUTES 

The minutes of the Open Session of April 6, 1970 were declared 

approved as circulated. 

3.

BUSINESS ARISING FROM THE MINUTES 

There was no business arising from the minutes. 

4.

REPORT OF CHAIBNAN 

Papers S.361, S.361a, S.362 - Naming of Persons to Carry out Certain 

Functions Previously under the Acting Academic Vice-President- 

Graduate Studies, Graduate Admissions, Undergraduate Admissions. 

The Chairman spoke briefly with regard to these papers. He 

pointed out that he had asked Dr. Webster to assume the Chairmanship 

of the Senate Committee on Graduate Admissions and at this point was 

asking Senate for its approval. He was also asking that Dr. Webster 

be granted speaking privileges at Senate while he is serving in the 

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various capacities as outlined in these papers. 

Moved by R. Brown, seconded by R. Bradley, 

"That whilst J. Webster is assuming the duties as 

outlined in Papers S.361 and S.361a related to 

Graduate Studies, he assume Chairmanship of the 

Senate Committee on Graduate Admissions." 

Question was called, and a vote taken. 

MOTION CARRIED 

Moved by R. Brown, seconded by' R. Bradley, 

"That whilst J. Webster is undertaking the duties 

as outlined in Papers S.361 and S.361a related to 

Graduate Studies, he be granted speaking privileges 

at Senate." 

Question was called, and a vote taken. 

MOTION CARRIED 

Paper 

S.362 was provided to Senate 

for information on actions and 

suggestions 

pertaining to Undergraduate 

Admissions. 

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5. REPORTS OF COMMITTEES 

Paper S.358 - Senate Committee on the Method of Appointment, Tenure, 

and Functions of Deans and Heads of Departments. 

Senator Rogow, as Chairman of this Committee, introduced the paper 

and asked Senate to accept two corrections of minor typographical errors 

committed by the Committee. He identified these errors and asked that 

the following corrections be made: first, on page 5, B. 1. a. - f., 

that these sections end in semicolons rather than periods, and second, 

on page 2 insert the following statement at the top of the page between 

I and A, "The guiding principles to be followed are:." As there were no 

objections, the corrections were accepted. 

Senator Rogow pointed out that the Committee had examined a number 

of statements and points of view on the selection of Deans, and after 

examination of these came to the conclusion that the selection of Deans 

as outlined in Paper S.358 would meet the needs for the selection of 

Deans of Faculties at Simon Fraser University. The paper did not deal 

with other than these. 

Moved by R. Rogow, seconded by R. Brown, 

"That the report of the Committee as presented 

in Paper S.358 be adopted by Senate." 

At this point the Chairman said that Senators could now ask questions 

of the Chairman of the Committee and Committee members or make brief state- 

ments related to the paper, and that the Chairman and Committee members 

could then respond to these questions and statements. 

Dean Sullivan, Faculty of Arts, placed a paper (attached now as 

Paper S.358a) before Senate indicating 

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a referendum of the Arts Faculty 

which had provided for a number of alternatives in selecting a Dean for 

that Faculty, but on which results were very scattered. There was some 

slight preference for election rather thaft selection, but without clarity 

on method. 

M. Lebowitz enquired of R. Rogow why the Committee had chosen a 

selective rather than an elective method. R. Rogow indicated the Committee 

had considered particularly the dual role envisaged for a Dean, the 

problems of election, of considering external candidates, the position of 

the Dean centred between the faculty and administration, and the belief 

that a responsible deanship position was emerging. M. Lebowitz referred 

to the dual role of a Department Chairman, noted that a procedure had been 

devised for electing/selecting with election to be used if the Department 

.was working well and expressed the opinion this method could apply to a 

deanship if a Faculty was working well. R. Bradley, a member of the 

reporting Committee, emphasized the difficulties of conducting elections 

adequately if external candidates were considered, as consideration of 

credentials was highly important and a careful, thorough screening essential. 

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He was of the opinion that an election method did not adequately provide 

for this. 

K. Rieckhoff considered the report generally good with some items 

requiring change. In particular he believed there should be more faculty 

members on the Search Committee, and that whether an internal or external 

candidate was being selected it would be essential to have ratification 

of the faculty. He believed this would strengthen the Dean's position 

and that the Dean would want this. 

K. Burstein favored the report generally but wished to see extension 

of time beyond nine months for the Search Committee and desired a strength- 

ening of the requirements for a faculty member to serve on the Search 

Committee. He disagreed with K. Rieckhoff on the proposal for ratification 

by faculty of an external candidate as he felt members could not be well- 

informed, but that ratification of an internal candidate could be undertaken. 

J. Hutchinson agreed with the two previous speakers desiring increased 

membership numbers and requirements of faculty members on the Search 

Committee, and noted that he would support faculty ratification if an 

internal candidate, but not external. He expressed opposition to the 

provision for one student on the Search Committee as "tokenism," and 

preferred none, or more than one if "none" proved non-acceptable. 

• R. Bradley noted that the faculty members for the Search Committee 

would be elected by the faculty and thought it would be unusual to have 

junior members. R. Rogow noted the provisions for recall of a Dean and 

believed that item would take care of a number of points raised. R. 

Bradley commented on the suggestions for more faculty members on the 

Committee but felt size was very important, He indicated that the provision 

for one student was a compromise and that there had been much discussion 

on this item in preparing the report. 

After general discussion on these items had taken place in the form 

of questions and statements, the Chairman then stated that Senate could 

begin to make formal amendments. 

Amendment was moved by K. Rieckhoff, seconded by J. Hutchinson, 

"That Section III. A. 2. c. be amended by substituting 

the word 'Six' for 'Three' in the phrase 'Three faculty 

members."' 

Concern was expressed by several Senators over whether or not faculty 

would be adequately represented with only three of its members available 

for meetings. It was pointed out that with a larger number of faculty 

members there would always be sufficient for faculty to have a strong 

voice at the meetingsof this Committee even should some faculty members 

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necessarily be absent. There was also opposition as the size of the 

Committee would be large. 

Question was called, and a-vote taken. 

AMENDMENT FAILED 

9 in favor 

9 opposed 

Amendment was moved by K. Burstein, seconded by J. Hutchinson, 

"That Section III. A. 2. c. be amended to substitute 

the word 'Five' for 'Three' in the phrase 'Three 

faculty members. 

Question was called, and a vote taken. 

AMENDMENT CARRIED 

10 in favor 

9 opposed 

Amendment was moved by K. Burstein, seconded by K. Rieckhoff, 

"That in Section III, A. 2. c. the word 'tenure' 

be inserted between the words 'Five' and 'faculty.'" 

R. Rogow indicated the Committee had considered constraints but 

believed it better to omit them. R. Brad1y noted that there are well- 

experienced senior people not yet tenured who would be eliminated. K. 

Rieckhoff considered the constraints required, and K. Burstein noted 

that in some instances persons were elected by acclamation as few candi- 

dates came forward. R. Rogow noted the cumulative nature of constraints, 

with difficulties on a small Faculty and S. Stratton observed that the 

Faculty of Education was not pressing for. such constraints. 

Question was called, and a vote taken. 

AMENDMENT FAILED 

3 in favor 

Amendment was moved by R. Brown, seconded by M. Lebowitz, 

"That Section III, A. 2. d. be amended by striking 

the words 'One student' and substituting the words 

'Three students." 

R. Brown and N. Lebowitz argued for greater student representation 

as they had an important role. Some Senators questioned whether students 

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could be of use, particularly in the area of assessment of credentials. 

Question was called, and a vote taken. 

AMENDMENT FAILED 

7 in favor 

10 opposed 

Amendment was moved by R. Brown, seconded by J. Hutchinson, 

"That Section III. A. 2. d. be deleted.:" 

Question was called, and a vote taken. 

AMENDMENT FAILED 

6 in favor 

13 opposed 

Amendment was moved by R. Bradley, seconded by J. Walkley, 

"That Section III. A. 2. d. be amended by striking 

the words 'One student' and substituting the words 

'Two students.'" 

Question was called, and a vote taken. 

AMENDMENT CARRIED 

11 in favor 

8 opposed 

Amendment was moved by K. Burstein, seconded by K. Rieckhoff, 

"That Section III, A. 2. c. be amended by deleting 

'Instructor or above' and substituting 'Associate 

or Full Professor.'" 

J. Hutchinson expressed opposition unless a provision for ratifi- 

cation were to be added. R. Brown expressed opposition. K. Rieckhoff 

indicated support and that he would later ask for a provision to ratify 

internal candidates. D. Sullivan opposed the amendment as he believed 

it would increase tensions. 

Question was called, and a vote taken. 

AMENDMENT FAILED 

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Amendment was moved by D. Sullivan, seconded by K. Rieckhoff, 

"That Section III. A. 2. c. be amended by deleting 

'at the rank of Instructor of above' and substituting 

'at least two of whom shall be at the rank of 

Associate Professor or above.'" 

R. Rogow thought the principle reasonable but expressed opposition 

to the constraints as he wished faculty to have the right of choice at 

this point, noting that he had argued for selection procedures and that 

the present wording gave faculty necessary rights. K. Rieckhoff and K. 

Burstein supported, with K. Burstein noting the potential unfortunate 

effect should there be no senior member of faculty on the Committee. 

Question was called, and a vote taken. 

AMENDMENT CARRIED 

9 in favor 

8 opposed 

K. Burstein asked that his vote in favor be recorded. 

Amendment was moved by R. Bradley, seconded by D. Sullivan, 

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in Item 8 on page 4, after the word 'Dean' 

the following words be added 'or his designate.'" 

Question was called, and a vote taken. 

AMENDMENT CARRIED 

7 in favor 

4 opposed 

Amendment was moved by K. Burstein, seconded by R. Carlson, 

"That in Section III, A. 1. delete the word 'nine' 

and substitute the word 'twelve' in the first 

sentence." 

It was claimed that nine months was insufficient time in which to 

make a search for a Dean in any Faculty. It was urged that a search 

should begin at least one year prior to the expiration of a Dean's 

term of office. 

Question was called, and a vote taken. 

AMENDMENT CARRIED 

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Amendment was moved by M. Lebowitz, seconded by K. Rieckhoff, 

"That in Section III. B. 1. a. strike the word 

'deciding' and substitute the phrase 'soliciting 

the decision of the faculty."' 

It was pointed out by M. Lebowitz that it was the faculty's view, 

as contained in the Report of the Interim Council on Joint Faculty, 

that the selection of a Dean should be made by faculty, that is, the 

decision on the appropriateness of a Dean rests ultimately with the 

faculty rather than a Committee. It was pointed out also that there 

must be more provision for faculty involvement than that presented in 

the report and that this amendment provided for a way of getting this 

involvement. Questions followed on at what point in the search the 

faculty should become directly involved. It was felt by several Senators 

that this question needed to be examined very carefully. Points of view 

were expressed also that faculty involvement should vary depending upon 

whether or not a candidate was to be chosen from within or without the 

Faculty concerned. It was also argued that faculty chose members for 

the Committee and the Committee was charged with soliciting opinions. 

Question was called, and a vote taken. 

AMENDMENT FAILED 

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5 in favor 

13 opposed 

Senators K. Burstein and K. Rieckhoff asked that their votes in 

the affirmative be recorded. 

Amendment was moved by R. Bradley, seconded by R. Rogow, 

"That at the end of Section III. B. 2 another sentence 

be added to read 'In such an event the Dean's Search 

Committee shall undertake once more the responsibilities 

outlined in B. 1. above."' 

Question was called, and a vote taken. 

AMENDMENT CARRIED 

11 in favor? 

4 opposed 

Amendment was moved by J. Barlow, seconded by A. Turnbull, 

"That in Section III. C. 2. an amendment be made by 

striking the words 'During his term of office a Dean 

shall serve on a three-semester-a-year basis with one 

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month annual vacation' and substituting 'During his 

term of office a Dean shall be entitled to a research 

semester as are other faculty members." 

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R. Rogow was opposed, arguing that a deanship was a highly 

responsible position, not suitable for part-time or broken service, 

which would continue current problems of lack of clarity and con- 

tinuity. A. Turnbull submitted that there was requirement for a man 

of stature and reputation, expected to teach, do research, and be a 

Dean, with necessity of keeping up-to-date in his discipline. K. 

Rieckhoff stressed the necessity of continuity, as did D. Sullivan. 

J. Barlow considered the arguments made for Deans pertained equally 

to Chairmen who are given the research semester. 

Question was called, and a vote taken. 

AMENDMENT FAILED 

2 in favor 

Amendment was moved by J. Hutchinson, seconded by K. Rieckhoff, 

"That in Section III. B. 1. the present clause g. be 

renumbered as h. and a new g. be inserted to read 

'obtaining, by majority vote of the faculty involved, 

ratification of the candidate to be recommended to 

the President.'" 

It was claimed by some members that faculty ratification was 

appropriate where a candidate from within the Faculty was being con- 

sidered because faculty members would be familiar with the individuals; 

but that it was not practical where a candidate was being considered 

from outside the Faculty because faculty members would have only a 

limited knowledge of him, and that confined primarily to information 

supplied by the Search Committee. Some argued for ratification of any 

candidate. 

Amendment to the amendment was moved by K. Burstein, seconded by 

K. Rieckhoff, 

"That for this new section g. the following words be 

added 'obtaining, in the case of a candidate from 

within the Faculty, ratification by majority vote of 

the Faculty involved, of the candidate to be 

recommended to the President."' 

Question was called, and a vote taken. 

AMENDMENT TO THE 

AMENDMENT CARRIED 

7 in favor 

5 opposed 

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Question was called on the amended amendment, and a vote taken. 

AMENDED AMENDMENT 

CARRIED 

9 in favor 

8 opposed 

Amendment was moved by R. Bradley, seconded by D. Sullivan, 

"That Section III. C. 3. be amended to read 'Upon 

completion of his term of office a Dean shall be 

entitled to a commensurate period of research leave."' 

With the concurrence of the mover and seconder it was recommended 

that the word "appropriate" be substituted for the word "commensurate." 

There was discussion on a number of items, but R. Rogow pointed 

out that the paper was silent on a number of items and that these were 

best left for negotiation with a candidate. 

Question was called on the amendment, and a vote taken. 

AMENDMENT FAILED 

3 in favor 

Amendment was moved by R. Bradley, seconded by J. Walkley, 

"That the words 'at least' be inserted before the 

last two words in Section III. C. 3." 

Question was called, and a vote taken. 

AMENDMENT CARRIED 

Amendment was moved by R. Bradley, seconded by D. Sullivan, 

"That in Section III, D. 1., second sentence, 

delete the following words: 'To the extent 

permitted by the full-time nature of his 

position. 

As there was no objection to this amendment it was declared CARRIED 

by the Chairman. 

It was moved by K. Burstein, "that no Department be given as a 

faculty member someone who is not supported by that Department." As 

there was no seconder, the motion was not placed on the floor. 

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Moved by D. Sullivan, seconded by R. Bradley, 

"That Paper S.358 - Report of the Senate Committee 

on the Method of Appointment, Tenure and Functions of 

Deans and Heads of Departments as amended be adopted." 

Question was called, and a vote taken on the document as amended. 

MOTION CARRIED 

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14 in favor 

6. REPORTS OF FACULTIES 

a) Faculty of Arts 

PaDer S.359 - Elective Credit for PF 451 

Moved by D. Sullivan, seconded by S. Stratton, 

"That B.A. degree credit be allowed as an elective 

for PF 451." 

D. Sullivan indicated that the Faculty of Arts Curriculum Committee 

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had held many discussions and had called upon members of the Faculty of 

Education for information. For the Fall 69-3 credit had been granted 

under special circumstances upon transfer to the course for a number of 

persons affected by the PSA strike. Following further discussions the 

Committee recommended elective credit and on a recent referendum, in a 

very close vote, the Faculty had approved credit for this course. 

K. Burstein expressed strong opposition, noted the varying nature 

of content and that the course was a professional teacher-training course. 

He referred to the motion of Senate of June 2, 1969 which permitted the 

using of courses undertaken in Education 404 (in and after Fall 68-3) 

normally used for an Arts degree, for credit toward such degree, and 

argued that it prohibited credit for courses such as PF 451. Submission 

was made that Senate would have to rescind that motion to permit credit 

for PF 451. 

The Chairman indicated that in future he would expect the Deans of 

Faculties concerned to discuss thoroughly problems of this type to seek 

resolution before the items are brought before Senate. Recess for five 

minutes was declared to clarify the situation. 

Senate reconvened after a brief recess and the Chairman ruled that 

there was no need to rescind any previous action taken by Senate with 

regard to the item being discussed. The ruling of the Chair was challenged 

by K. Burstein, but as there was no seconder a vote was not taken to sustain 

or reject the ruling of the Chair. 

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The Chairman ruled that the motion made by D. Sullivan, seconded 

by S. Stratton on this item was now on the floor and debatable. It 

was pointed out that as there were students who have taken PF 451 who 

were to be considered later for graduation, this question needed to be 

resolved prior to considering their graduation. 

At this point a paper from Dr. C. Crawford, of the Psychology 

Department, was circulated to Senators (subsequently numbered S.359a), 

and several Senators spoke in harmony with some of the points brought 

out in this paper, with particular reference to the points he made that 

the areas being examined in PF 451 were related basically to teacher 

training and had virtually no relationship to an Arts program. This 

argument was rejected by other Senators who pointed out that Senate needs 

to examine what experience it considers appropriate in the education of 

a student, and that it needs to look at the question of having all 

Faculties accept all courses approved by the University, regardless of 

the type of courses or the Faculty offering them. 

Questions arose also with regard to elective credit being awarded 

for other courses such as PF 452. The Registrar indicated that prior to 

the motion of June 2, 1969 with effect from September 1968, courses 

undertaken in Education 404 could be credit only for that purpose, but 

that the motion permitted the using of Arts courses so taken toward the 

Arts degree. The motion was silent on professional courses, but before 

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that time the professional courses were not credited. The statement under 

Group D requirements did not indicate whether such courses would, or 

would not, be considered for elective credit, hence the matter was before 

Senate but only with reference to PF 451 at this time. Up to this point 

elective credit had not been given for such professional courses. It was 

queried why credit should not be given for, such other courses if it is to 

be given for PF 451. 

After considerable debate on these issues, question was called on 

the main motion to approve the granting of elective credit to PF 451 

within the Faculty of Arts, and a vote taken. 

MOTION FAILED 

7 in favor 

7 opposed 

b) Faculty of Science 

Moved by J. Barlow, seconded by A. Lachlan, 

"That the Faculty of Science submissions for the 

Chemistry Department dealing with new courses, 

replacement courses, prerequisite changes, a title 

change, and content changes, as outlined in Paper 

S.360 a-i be approved." 

Question was called, and a vote taken. 

MOTION CARRIED 

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Moved by J. Barlow, seconded by A. Lachlan, 

"That the Faculty of Science submissions relating 

to the continuation of Science 010, as outlined 

in Paper S.360 k be approved." 

Question was called, and a vote taken. 

MOTION CARRIED 

Moved by J. Barlow, seconded by A. Lachlan, 

"That the Faculty of Science submissions relating 

to Mathematics changes as outlined in Paper 

S.360 1-p be approved." 

Question was called, and a vote taken. 

MOTION CARRIED 

7. OTHER BUSINESS 

a) Notices of Motion 

There were no notices of motion. 

b) Date of Next Meeting 

It was noted that the next meeting of Senate would be held on 

Monday, June 1, 1970 at 7:30 p.m. 

c)

Other Items 

There were no other items. 

d)

Confidential Matters 

The meeting adjourned at 12:45 a.m. to move into Closed Session. 

H. M. Evans 

Secretary 