DRAFT UNTIL APPROVED BY SENATE
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MINUTES OF MEETING OF SENATE OF SINON FRASER UNIVERSITY
HELD NONDAY JUNE 2, 1969,FACULTY LOUNGE; 7 30
P.M.
OPEN SESSION
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Strand, K.T.
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Chairman
Baird, D.A.
Barlow, J.
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(for the Dean of Science)
Brown, R.C.
Burstein, K.R.
Campbell, M.J.
Capie, K.P.
Carlson, R.L.
Claridge, R.W.
Cole, R.E.
D'Aoust, B.R.
Freiman, Mrs.L.
Hamilton, W.M.
Hutchinson, J.
Kenward, J.
Korbin, D.
Lebowitz, N.A.
McDougall, A.H.
Rieckhoff, K.E.
Sayre, J.
Srivastava, L.M.
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Stratton, S.
Sullivan, D.H.
Tuck, D.C.
Turnbull, A.L.
Walkley, J.
Wassermann, Mrs .5.
Evans, H.M.
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Secretary
Kelsey, I.
Barboza, J.
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Recording Secretary
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Collins, N.
Drache, Mrs.S.
ilean, A.F.0
MacKinnon, A. R.
McLean, C.H.
Perry, G.N.
Vidaver, W.
At the commencement of the meeting K. Strand, Chairman, indicated that
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the results of the election for Chancellor, the election of members to
Senate by Convocation, and the election by Faculties jointly had been
announced and that seating on Senate was in order.
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He congratulated K.?.Caple on his election to the position of Chancellor.
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He indicated that L.M.Srivastava had been elected by Faculties jointly,
but that L.M.Srivastava had also been selected as the Acting Academic
Vice-President to replace R.Haering.
He indicated that J.Barlc)w had replaced L.M.Srivastava as the Acting Dean
of Science during the absence of B.L.Funt.
The results of elections were as follows:-
CHANCELLOR - to May 31, 1.972
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K.P.Caple
SENATORS- tc> May 31, 1972
Elected by Convocation : N.J.Campbell
R.W.Claridge
S. Drache
L.Freiman
W.M.Hamilton (re-elected)
A.H.McDougaii
Elected by Faculties Jointly
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R.C.Brown
R.L.Carlson
L.M.Sr:Lvastava
A.L.Turnbull
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It was noted that all of the above were-in attendance, with the exception of
Mrs. S. DLache.
Moved by K.Ricckhoff, seconded by J.Walkley,
"that the newly-elected members be seated on Senate."
MOTION CARRIED
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. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Moved by N.Lebowitz, seconded by J.Kenward,
"that Item
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4B (Reports of Faculties) be placed ahead of Item 4A
(Reports of Committees)."
NOTION CARRIED
11 in favour
7
opposed
4 abstained
Moved by M.Lebowitz, seconded by K.Burstein,
"that between Item 3 (Business arising from the Minutes) and
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Item 4 (Unfinished Business from the meeting of May 12, 1969)
there be added 'Election of Senate Members to the Board of
Governors'.'
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Question was raised as to why this item had not been placed on the Agenda
and the Chairman responded that information was not yet available concerning
individuals who might be appointed or reappointed to the four Senate positions
by Order of the Lieutenant Governor-inCouncil, that because the result.', of
the elections had but recently become available, the Nominating Committee had
not been able to consider appropriate nominations, and that he considered it
desirable that the new members of Senate and the former members of Senate
become known to one another before election was undertaken. Further
discussions followed.
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A1'IINDMENT CARRIED
13 in favour ?
7 opposed
6 abstained
Moved by M.Lebowitz, seconded by J.WaJ.kley,
"that the Agenda as amended be approved."
MOTION CARRIED
21 in favour
2. APPROVAL_OF MINUTES OF OPEN SESSION OF MAY 12, 1969
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M.Lebowitz requested that change be. made in the Minutes of May 12, Page.
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at the top of the page, with insertion of -a paragraph following the first
paragraph as follows:
"In discussion of this amendment, K.Okuda argued that Senate
members we-re overworked. M.Lebowitz replied that some Senate
members had never had the opportunity to serve on any Senate
Committees and further argued that Senate Committees should
draw first upon senators."
Informal vote was undertaken with 7 voting in favour of inclusion, 10
opposed to inclusion and 9 abstaining, with the result that no change at
that point to the Minutes of May 12 is to be made.
Change in the Minutes was requested on Page 3, following Line 1:
"Senator Wong asked permission to move motion on the paper
but was ruled out of order by the Chair."
As there were no further changes, the Minutes were ruled approved as amended.
3.. BUSINESS ARISING FR014 THE MINUTES
M.Lebowit:z made reference to the Minutes of May
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Pages 2 and 3, Item h,
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and to the paper prepared by K.Strand (Append
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of items on the Agenda. He stated that the paper contravened Rule 7 approved
by Senate April 1966 and requested that the paper be held back for clarification.
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K.Strand agreed.
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ELECTION OF 11EU3ERS OF SENATE TO THE BOARD OF GOVERNORS
Moved by M.Lebowitz, seconded by J.Sayre,
"that Senate move immediately to
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election of three senators
to the Board of Governors."
The Chairman indicated that the rules of Senate pertaining to nominating
would have to be suspended.
Amendment was moved by D.Sullivan, seconded by K.Rieckhoff,
"that the word 'immediately' be replaced with the words 'at
the next regular meeting of Senate'."
Discussion followed. K.Burstein rose to a point of order stating that it
was necessary that Senate suspend its rules before consideration of the
amendment or the main motion could be undertaken. The Chair ruled that
suspension was not necessary at this point. The ruling of the Chair was
challenged, and vote was undertaken with 16 in favour of the Chair,
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and 4 abstained. The ruling of the Chair was upheld.
Further discussion followed and reference was made to Paper S.170a and 170b.
The Secretary indicated that one seat on the Board was currently vacant,
that of A.Branca,as he had ceased to be a member of Senate as at May 31,
1969. Vote on the amendment was undertaken.
ANDMENT CARRIED
19 in favour
6 opposed
Amendment to the amendment was moved by D.Korbin, seconded by J.Kenward,
"that the word 'regular' be deleted."
AMENDMENT TO THE A1,1}!ND1NT
FAILED
6 in favour
15 opposed
4 abstained
Vote was then undertaken on. the main motion as amended, i.e.
"that Senate move at the next regular meeting of Senate to the
election of three senators to the Board of Governors."
MOTION CARRIED
26 in favour
J.Walkley reminded Senate that at previous elections candidates undertook
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to state their positions in relation, to a number of problems immediately
prior to the electoral voting on membership from Senate to the Board and
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enquired as to whether or not this would be undertaken at the next regular
iaeeting before votes were cast. The Chairman indicated that this would be
done.
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The Chairman further indicated that the Nominating Committee should inform
nominees that they would be expected to give statements of this type.
Questions were raised concerning legal conditions which must be fulfilled
for an individual to he eligible for membership on the Board of Governors,
and attention was d
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awn to the Universities Act, Section
20.
Questions
pertained to the position of Teaching Associates, Graduate Associates,
President's Research Grants and related items in terms of potential dis-
qualification of individuals from sitting on the Board. The Secretary
explained the position in respect of Teaching Assistants and it was
indicated that further legal opinion would be obtained on other matters.
The Cha:Lrmari indicated that if additional legal questions were to be
answered they should be put in writing and sent to him as quickly as
possible.
D.Korhin enquired as to whether or not there were vacancies on the
Nominating Commit tee and D. Tuck indicated that there were two
vacancies
which had arisen with the expiry of membership on Senate for K.Okuda and
W.Wiiiiams.
D.Korbin gave notice of motion to be considered later in the meeting,
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"that the rules of Senate be suspended to elect two persons
to the Nominating Committee."
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B) Reports Of Faculties
i) Faculty Of Arts
a) Courses of Education 404 towards the B.A. Degree Paper
S.225
Moved by D.Sullivan, seconded by K.Ricckhoff,
"that Paper S.225 be approved, i.e. that those courses
which would normally fulfill the requirement for the
B.A. degree and which are taken as part of Education
404 should be given credit towards the B.A. degree
with the understanding that the motion applies to
Education 404 if taken in 68-3 or after."
D.Su1JJ..van emphasized that he wished to make it very clear that
the motion, as dutlined in Paper S.225, applied to Education 404
if taken in 68-3 or after and that 1'; was not under any circum-
stances to be retroactive other than as indicated in the dates
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been obtained
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circulation of a referendum paper. M,Lebowitz enquired as to
whether there had been opportunity for discussion of the item at
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an open meeting of the Faculty of Arts to which D.Sullivan
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responded in the negative.
R.Carlson requested S.Stratton, as Acting Dean of Education,
to give a brief summary of Education 404 and this was done.
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J.Sayre enquired as to why the date of the Fall Semester
68-3
Pertained and explanation was given, noting that the basic
change in structure within the Education Faculty had been
approved earlier by Senate for Education 404 effective from
68-3 onwards.
Moved by B.D'Aoust, seconded by M.Cathpbell,
-"that the motion be tabled."
MOTION TO TABLE FAILED
3 in favour
17 opposed
2 abstained
Moved by J.Kenward, seconded by M.Campbell,
"that this item be referred back to the Faculty of Arts
for documentation."
MOTION TO REFER FAILED?
7 in favour
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1 abstained
Moved by K.Burstein, seconded by K.Rieckhoff,
"that the previous question now be put."
MOTION CARRIED
21 in favour
4 opposed
1 abstained
Vote was then undertaken on the main motion.
MAIN MOTION CARRIED
18 in favour
5 opposed
3 abstained
M.Campbell requested that his on the main motion
be recorded as he did not have sufficient data on the basis of
which to form sound judgement.
b) Curriculum Changes
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S.226, 226a, 226b
Moved by D.Suilivan, seconded by J.Hutchinson,
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"that the proposals of Paper S.226a and
S.226b
be approved."
The Chairman indicated that Item 226a would be considered
separately from Item 226b.
M.Lebowitz enquired as to whether or not these items had
ever come before the Faculty of Arts for open discussion
on their merits. D.Sullivan responded that the items had
been processed through the Faculty of Arts in its approved
procedures by referendum vote as outlined in Paper S.226.
Moved by M.Lebowitz, seconded by M.Campbeli,
"that this motion be referred back to the Faculty
of Arts for
discussion on
its merits."
but following
discussion
the motion was withdrawn. D.Sullivan
requested the Chairman to rule out of order discussions on
Faculty of Arts procedures as the Faculty had the right to
decide its procedures. M.Lebowitz submitted argument that
Senate was the overruling body. The Chairman commented and
N.Lebowitz indicated that he was attempting to establish
ground rules in the Faculty which were appropriate before items
would be brought before Senate. The Chairman suggested that a
paper be prepared for submission to Senate on this topic and that
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if adopted the Faculty would then need to follow the procedure.
He suggested that consideration need be given the difference
between general versus specific items.
M.Lebowitz indicated that he was in favour of the change
proposed but that he opposed the method of bringing these items
forward through the Faculty of Arts,as there was no opportunity
for discussion unless one generated a petition. He expressed
concern that opportunity for better programmes might be lost
through current methods.
K.Rieckhoff spoke in favour of the motion and indicated that
he assumed the Faculty Curriculum Committee were indeed
representative and that appropriate discussion had been held.
Moved by K.Rieckhoff, seconded by J.Walkley,
"that the previous question now be put."
MOTION FAILED
11 in favour
8 opposed
6 abstained
(two-thirds vote
was required)
It was noted that division had been made between Item
226a
and
Item 226h, but that within each of these papers there were sub-
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divisions.
Moved by W.Hamilton, seconded by D.Suilivan,
"that the questions be divided in their sub-items."
MOTION CARRIED
14 in favour
5 opposed
1 abstained
Vote was then undertaken on Proposal ). of Paper S.226a, la,
"General and Honors Program, First Four Levels
Delete '3. No more than 15 (credits) may be from
Groups C and D (see Group Requirements)'."
MOTION CARRIED
19 in favour
1 opposed
3 abstained
Vote was then undertaken on lb of Proposal 1 of Paper S.226a as
follows:-
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"Genera). Program, Last Four Levels - Change to Read
'3. At least 15 (credits) must be in courses
outside the major subject area'."
Moved by L.Freiman, seconded by M.Campbell,
"that Part lb be referred back to the Faculty of
Arts for supporting arguments to he presented at
the next meeting of Senate."
MOTION TO REFER FAILED
7 in favour
17 opposed
1 abstained
Moved by J.Walkley, seconded by K.Burstein,
"that the previous question now be put."
MOTION CARRIED
18 in favour
5 opposed
Vote was then undertaken on the main motion lb of Paper S.226a.
MAIN NOTION CARRIED
18 in favour
7 opposed
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Vote was then undertaken on Item ic of Proposal 1 of Paper S226a
as follows:-
-!'Honors Program, Last Four Levels - Add
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least 15 (credits) must be in courses outside the
major subject area'."
MOTION CARRIED
18 in favour
7 opposed
M.Lebowitz requested that his negative vote be recorded on Items
].a, lb and ic on the grounds that Senate voted with full knowledge
that the Faculty of Arts had not discussed the items in a full
meeting of the Faculty of Arts.
Consideration was then given to Proposal 11 of Paper S.226b.
Moved by D.Sullivan, seconded by J.Walkley,
"that the courses outlined under Proposal II of Paper
S.226h be approved."
Amend!ent to the motion was made by M.Campbel.1, seconded by J.Kenward,
"that under the courses 494-3 and 496-3 in each case the terminating
.words 'arid students' be deleted", but the amendment waz ruled out of
order by the Chair.
Vote was undertaken on Proposal. II of Paper S.226b, covering courses
494-3 and 496-3.
MOTION CARRIED
20 in favour
3 abstained
iii) Faculty of Science
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a) Courses of Education 404 towards the B.Sc.jree -_Paper S227
Moved by L.Srivastava, seconded by D.Tuck,
"that Senate adopt the recommendation of Paper S-227,
i.e. that those courses which would normally fulfill.
the requirement for the B.Sc. degree, and which are.
taken as part of Education 404, should be given
credit .towards the B.Sc. degree."
Attention was drawn to thd clarifying statement submitted as an
attachment to Paper S.
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MOTION CARRIED?
24 in favour
D.Korbin noted that the motion had been passed but enquired as to
what the effective date would be, and a major discussion fo1loed.
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Explanation was given by the Secretary concerning the r-
organization which had been undertaken in the Faculty of Education
pertaining to Education 404, to the decisions of Senate at
its calendar meetings on December 9 and other meetings in this
regard,and to the fact that Senate had approved the changes in
Education 404 effective for those who entered the P1W program
in 68-3 and later semesters but without other retroactivity.
The Chairman ruled that the effective date would apply to
courses taken in Education 404 in 68-3 and following semesters
only. The ruling of the Chair was challenged by D.Korbin but
there was no seconder.
b)
Curriculum Changes - Biological Sciences 003-3 -_Paper S.228
Moved by L.Srivastava, seconded by A.Turnbull,
"that Senate approve the course Biological Sciences
003-3 as outlined in Paper S.228."
Discussion followed.
Moved by M.Campbell, seconded by R.Brown,
"that the previous question now be put."
MOTION ON PREVIOUS
QUESTION CARRIED
Vote on the main motion was undertaken.
MAIN MOTION CARRIED
22 in favour
1 opposed
J.Walkley requested that his negative vote on the notion be
recorded.
c) Program Priorities - gaper S.229; Computing Science - Paper
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er S.229b
Moved by L.Srivastava, seconded by J.Walkley,
"that consideration of these items be postponed until
after consideration of Paper 5.215."
MOTION CARRIED
22
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A) Reports of Committees
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a) Interim Recommendations on Procedures for Processing Recom-
mendations - Paper S.236 (a revisihn of Paper S.223)
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K.Rieckhoff, Chairman of the Committee
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submitting the report,
announced that he would resign from the committee after
decisions on
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paper were made, regardless of what decisions were
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made in respect of the paper.
Moved by K.Rieckhoff, seconded by D.Suliivan,
"that Recommendations numbered 1-8 inclusive as they
appear on Pages 1-6 of Paper
S.236
be approved."
Moved by D.Sullivan, seconded by W.Flamilton,
"that the report be considered ad seriatim."
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CONSIDERATION CARRIED
18 in favour
2 opposed
3 abstained
A lengthy discussion on the procedures folloued, and a number of
difficulties were noted. A further lengthy discussion was under-
taken on the preamble of the paper. A number of senators
indicated opposition, a number indicated support but with reserva-
tions, and attention was drawn from time to time to various diffi-
culties arising from this submission.
Moved by J.Sayre, seconded by K.Burstein,
"that Paper S.236 be tabled."
MOTION TO TABLE FAILED
7 in favour
16 opposed
2 abstained
Further discussion was undertaken and difficulties of procedure and
other matters were noted. It was agreed that a vote would be under-
taken on the general philosophy of the paper. The Chairman ruled
that in each case a two-thirds vote would be required under the
existing rules of Senate which called for such a vote to change the
rules of procedure of Senate as adopted in April 1966.
L.Srivastava, seconded by J.Walkiey, challenged the rulin
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of the
Chair and vote was undertaken with 15 in favour of the Chair and
10 opposed, with the ruling of the Chair being upheld.
K.Rieckhoff spoke to the principles and general philosophy underlying
the paper.
Moved by K.Rieckhoff, seconded by J.Walkley,
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"that the report in Paper S.236 be accepted in
principle."
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11 in favour
13 opposed
1 abstained
As the report was rejected in principle, no further action on the
report was undertaken.
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Moved by D.Sullivan, seconded by L.Srivastava,
"that the Open Session adjourn from this Agenda with provision
that the Chairman be allowed to make his report and comments."
MOTION CARRIED
15 in favour
10 opposed
5. REPORT OF CHAIRNAN
a)
The Chairman indicated that the Working Group considering the Ellis Report
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had submitted data and that a Special Meeting of Senate would be called for
June 9, 1969, to consider the Ellis Report.
b)
The Chairman indicated that a request had been received from the British
Columbia School Trustees Association requesting membership on Senate and that
similar correspondence had been sent to other universities; discussion
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been held with President Gage of the University of British Columbia and that
a uniform response from at least the two universities was under consideration
and that he would inform Senate later in this regard.
c)
He noted that the Senate Agenda Committee required two members with one to
replace S.Wong on a permanent basis, and one to replace W.Vidaver who was on
research semester.
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Monday, July 7, 1969, at 7:30 p.m. as
indicated in the Agenda.
d)
CONFIDENTIAL MATTERS
The Open Session adjourned to move into Closed Session at 12.30 p.m.
NOTE
As the meeting adjourned. from the Open Session to consider individual student
records, an item of business was considered in the Closed Session which normally
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would have been considered in the Open Session, and on the instructions of Senate
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ELECTIONS TO THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE
D.Korhin had given notice of motion concerning election of two members to
the Nominating Committee in view of vacancies arising from the cessation
of membership on Senate of K.Okuda and W.Williams.
Moved by D.Tuck, seconded by J.Walk1ey,
"that the rules of Senate pertaining to nominations be suspended."
MOTION CARRIED
12 in favour
3 opposed
1 abstained
D.Tuck indicated that the current members of the Nominating Committee were
D.Tuck (Chairman), D.Baird, K.Burstein, and that replacement was required
for K.Okuda and W.Williams.
Call for nominations was made and the following accepted nominations:-
R.
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L. Freiman
D. Korbin
J. Hutchinson
A. McDougall
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Moved by D.Tuck, seconded by M.Lehowitz,
"that nominations close."
MOTION CARRIED
W.Hamilton suggested that the proceedings appear in the Open Session Minutes
and Senate concurred.
Following balloting, A.McDougall and J.Sayre were declared elected to the
Nominating Committee.
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