DRAFT UNTIL APPROVED BY SENATE

MINUTES OF MEETING OF

HELD MONDAY, DECEMBER

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SENATE OF SIMON FRASER UNIVERSITY

9, 1968, FACULTY LOUNGE, 7:30 P.M.

[ON - CALENDAR MEET]:NG

Present:

Strand, K.T.

Chairman

Baird, D.A.

Baker, R.J.

Boland, L.A.

Dampier, J.L. (Arrived late)

D'Aoust, B.

Funt, B.L. (Arrived late)

Gibson, E.M.

Haering, R.R.

Hamilton, W.M.

Harper, R.J.C.

Lett, Mrs. Sherwood

Korhin, D.

MacKinnon, A.R.

Okuda, K.

Rieckhoff, K.E.

Stratton, S.

Strivastava, L.

N. (Replacing

temporarily

Funt, 13.L.)

Sullivan, D.

Tuck,

D. C.

Vidaver, U.

Waikl.ey, J.

Wong, S.

(Arrived late)

Williams, W.E.

Evans, It. M.

. Secretary

Meyers, D.A.

Roberts,

Smedley, J.

Recording Secretary

Absent:

Branca, A.E.

Burstein, K.R.

Collins, K.

Ellis, A.J.

Mean, A. F. C.

Hutchinson, J.F.

Koerner, Mrs. Otto

McLean, C.H.

Perry, G.M.

Sperling, G.B.

Shrum, G. E.

Smith, Mrs. L.

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The Chairman indicated that the Senate Agenda Committee

had

given

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sJ.deration

to the recent Senate Meetings and had unanimously

naosly recomended

that a pass system bc

. reintroduced.

This pass system was significantly less cumbersome than the

previous system with provision that up to 100 seats would be made available and

with further provision that if individuals do not utilize passes issued by 4:30

P.M. for the 100 seats additional passes would be. issued to permit individuals

to fill the 100 seats on a first come/first served basis after 7:15 P.M. He

requested that the recommendations be approved.

Moved by 1). Tuck, seconded by K. Rieckhoff,

"that the pass system recommended by the Senate Agenda Committee for the-

current meeting be approved".

MOTION CARRIED

D. Korbin requested that his negative vote be recorded.

1. APPROVAL OF AGENDA FOR CALENDAR MEETING

Consideration was given to the Agenda proposed for the Calendar meeting and it

was noted that part of the meeting would be concerned with continuation of the

meeting of December 2, 1968, which had been postponed. Following discussion it

was ruled by the Chairman that the Agenda was approved.

2. CALENDAR ITEMS - UNDERGRADUATE CALENDAR ACADEMIC AREAS

The Dean of Arts made reference to the General. Section of the Calendar pertaining

to qualifications for degrees and indicated that he considered this to be an

important item. It was suggested that the preliminary section dealing with

general requirements for the Faculty of Arts be deferred.

(a) Comments

e. Actingçademic Vice President

R. Haering indicated that he proposed to deal with general comments concerning

proposed changes for the Undergraduate Calendar and for the Graduate

Calendar. In this regard he noted that there were 25 new graduate courses

which had not yet been approved by the Senate Committee on Graduate Studies

and that 14 of these were in one department. He further noted that 104

undergraduate courses had not yet been considered by Senate and that 30 of

these were in one department. Reference was made also to the Professional

Development Program and he Faculty of Education with the suggested change

from zero semester hours in one section to 15 semester hours of credit.

He commented that he placed no blame on any particular department or faculty

but that he considered the procedure in dealing with submissions of this

type was basically unsound. In particular he expressed the view that there

was too much material to be considered, that there was insufficient

academic planning, that decisions were of necessity too hasty and too

pressured. He expressed regret that the deadline of Calendar submissions

potentially would stiffle appropriate debate and undercut academic planning.

In this respect he expressed the hope that this would be the last raeeting

at which such procedure would be contemplated and that in future consideration

of Calendar 'items would represent simple formal ratification only by

Senate of items previously considered in depth.

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Considerable support for the statements of the Acting Academic Vice

President was indicated.

(b)

Dean of

- D. Sullivan

D. Sullivan suggested that consideration be given primarily to the various

submissions excluding the general section dealing with the. Faculty of

Arts degree requirements, and excluding the Department of Modern Lang-

tiages, which could be considered later.

(i)

Economics and Commerce

Moved by D. Sullivan, seconded by J. Walkley,

"that the section of the precis covering proposed Calendar

changes pertaining to Economics and Commercepages 70,

71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 77, be accepted, subject to any changes

which may arise depending upon changes in Mathematics

courses •

Discussion followed with consideration being given to the potentiality

of duplication of course offerings particularly in the Mathematics

and certain other areas across departments. Suggestion was made by

S. Wong that careful consideration be given to the possibility of

commonality of courses in various departments and the possibility---.

of sub-structuring certain courses using appropriate teaching

assistants for variations where required across the various deparLnient.

It was agreed that this item should receive consideration.

MOTION CARRIED

16 in favour

1 opposed

2 abstained

(ii)

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Moved by D. Sullivan, seconded by R. Haering,

"that the changes proposed in the precis pertaining to the

Department of English be approved, excluding pages 88 and

92 with reference to English 300-3 which would be subject

to further consideration."

MOTION CARRIED

16 in favour

2 abstained

(iii)

7EIY

Moved by D. Sullivan, seconded by R. Haering,

"that: the changes listed in the precis pertaining to the

Department of Geography be approved."

MOTION CARRIED

16 in favour.

2 opposed

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(iv) His to

Moved by D. Sullivan, seconded by R. Hacring,

"that changes listed in the precis proposed for the

Department of History be approved."

It was noted that additional changes were required with reference

to page 110 in that course 484-5 and 485-5 should become 454_5

and 455-5 respectively.

MOTION CARRIED

16 in favour

4 abstained

As agreed earlier consideration of Modern Languages was deferred

until later in the meeting.

(v) Philoso

phy

Moved by D. Sullivan, seconded by E. Gibson,

"that: changes listed in the precis proposed for the

Department of Philosophy be approved."

MOTION CARRIED

5 in favour

0 opposed

13 abstained

(vi) Political Science,

_SociointhroIogy

Moved by D. Sullivan, seconded by R. Haering,

"that changes listed in the precis proposed for the

Department of P.S.A. be approved."

Attention was drawn to the current Calendar with reference to

course 499-5 requiring correction in terms of hours.

MOTION CARRIED

16 in favour

O opposed

.2 abstained

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(vii)

)ychologj

Moved by D. Sullivan, seconded by R. Haering,

"that changes PrOPOSed in the precis for the Department

of Psycholo g

y be approved, with the exception of page

148 pertaining to changes in course requirements for

Honors degree which would be deferred pending consideration

of the general requirements of the Faculty of Arts."

The Acting Academic Vice President noted that a clearcut policy is

required concerning admission to Upper Level Courses and that when

the general requirements of the Faculty of Arts is under consider-

ation this matter would be further reviewed.

MOTION CARRIED

16 in favour

1 opposed

3 abstained

(viii)

Reading and Study Instruction

Moved by 1). Sullivan, seconded by R. Haering,

"that the changes pertaining to Reading and Study be

approved."

MOTION

CARRIED

Decision as to the placement of this item in Calendar was to be

made between the Dean of Arts and the Registrar.

(ix)

Department. of_Modern Laguaes

Moved by D. Sullivan, seconded by E. Gibson)

"that most of the changes listed for the Department of

Modern Languages as shown on the precis be approved."

R. Haering indicated that there were a number of substantive

changes and that he believed that there was potential change

in the direction which might be undertaken in this particular

department. C. Bursill-Hal1 was requested to speak to the

proposed changes and gave useful information noting that a number

of the changes had specifically been requested by

other depart-

ments as a service to the departments. R. Baker questiolied the

matter of resources and the relationship with other universities

in this regard. D. Baird commented that library resources might

be found potentially weak in terms of the proposed new offerings.

R. }'Iaering suggested that the department prepare a full proposal.

for submission to the Faculty of Arts, for consideration by Senate.

MOTION DEFEATED

3 in favour

10 opposed

7 abstained

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Moved by B.. Hacring, seconded by K. Rieckhoff,

that the Department of Modern Languages present to

the Faculty of Arts a submission which indicates

priorities of programs in that department, relevant:

to other priorities in the Faculty of Arts."

The Dean of Arts indicated he was prepared to give consideration

to this matter and bring it before Senate for further considera-

tion.

NOTION CARRIED

Moved by D. Sullivan, seconded by R. flacring,

"that approval be given the non-substantive changes as

shown in the precis pertaining to the Department of

Modern Languages."

MOTION CARRIED

18 in favour

2 abstained

A. MacKinnon indicated that a number of changes were proposed in the

Faculty of Education, with requirements for the Bachelor of Education

degree being reduced from 11 semesters to 10

semesters.

The first change

pertained to Education 404, with considerable. choi'.e being left to the

student. lie noted that if the student selects a Bachelor

of Arts degree

or a Bachelor of Science degree with the Professional Development Program

that he rausl: do all the requirements of the particular faculty concerned

as well as the three semesters of the Professional Development Program.

If, however, the student elects to undertake a Bachelor of Education degree

the progran which would constitute 11 semesters under the other arra-gemenLs

could he completed in 10 semesters for the Bachelor of Education degree. I

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further noted that the other primary change pertained to the matter of credit

allocation for the 16 weeks or semester relativQ to teaching in tin schools

for which credit at the present time was not given but for which 15 semester

hours would be given under the new proposals.

Question was raised as to whether or not an individual could complete a

Bachelor of Arts degree or a Bachelor of Science degree plus the Professional

Development Program in ten semesters and A. MacKinnon indicated that this

could be done provided the faculty concerned agreed to apply the appropriate

courses within the faculty which would permit such arrangements.

Attention was drawn to page 161 and the new regulations particularly under

Note 1 at the top of the page. The Dean of Arts indicated that: he was

prepared to take this submission to the Faculty of Arts for consideration

but meanwhile change in wording should be considered pending approval.

A. MacKi.nuou agreed to this proposal.

Questions were raised pertaining to the current method of annotating

Education 404 on transcripts and explanation was given by the Registrar.

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(i) Moved by A. MacKinnon, seconded by S. Stratton,

"that approval be given the two basic changes proposed."

MOTION CARRIED

16 in favour

1 opposed

2 abstained

Discussion continued pertaining to additional changes in the genera].

requirement for degrees and certification.

(ii) Moved by A. MacKinnon, seconded by S. Stratton,

"that the proposed changes with particular reference to

pages 162, 163, and 164 be approved."

NOTION CARRIED

14 in favour

favour

1 abstained

A. MacKinnon made reference to statements on pages 163 and 164 as

proposed and suggested certain additional changes with wording to be

communicated to the Registrar.

Moved by A. MacKinnon, seconded by S. Stratton,

"that approval. he given pages 163/164 with appropriate changes."

MOTION CARRIEI)

12 in favour

3 opposed

2 abstained

The Chairman noted that the time was now 10:30 P.M. and that it was

necessary to return to consideration of items postponed at the

December 2nd meeting of Senate. He further noted that if these items

were resolved in appropriate time that return to Calendar submission

would then he made.

(For consideration of items postponed from the Senate Meeting of December 2, 1968

see separate minutes)

Following consideration of the items postponed from the. December 2, 1968 meeting

AM.

Senate returned to consideration of Calendar submissions at 12:22

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(iii) Moved by

A. MacKinnon, seconded by R. Haering,

"that changes proposed for the

Department of Communications

and the Arts be approved."

NOTION CARRIED

13 in

favour

1 opposed

(iv) Moved by A. MacKinnon, seconded by E. Gibson,

"that changes proposed as shown on the precis for the

Department of Behavioural Science Foundations be

approved."

NOTION CARRIEIi

10 in favour

(v)

Moved by A. MacKinnon, seconded by R. Ilacring,

"that changes as proposed in the precis pertaining to

the Department of Social and Philosophical Foundations

be approved."

MOTION CARRIED

11 in favour

(vi) Moved by A. MacKinnon, seconded by R. flacring,

"that changes as proposed in the precis pertaining to

the Department of Professional Foundations be approved."

MOTION CARRIED

(vii) Moved by A. MacKinnon, seconded by R. flaering,

"that changes as sho-m in the precis pertaining to the

Department of Athletics and Recreational Services be

approved."

NOTION CARRIED

(viii)Noved by A. MacKinnon, seconded by R. Heering,

"that changes as proposed in

the

precis for the Department

of Physical Development Studies be approved, with

attention to be given to Mathematics requirements in.

terms of further developments."

MOTION CARRIED

12 in favour

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(d) Faculty of Science

Dean of Science - B.J. - Funt and L. N. Strivastava

(i)

Moved by B.L. Funt, seconded by R. Haering,

"that general. changes in requirements for the Bachelor

of Science degree as shown in the precis be approved."

MOTION CARRIED

(ii) Biological Sciences

Moved by B.L. Funt, seconded by R. Haering,

"that changes listed in the precis pertaining to the

Department of Biological Sciences he approved, subject

to clarification of pages 191/194 pertaining to advanced

standing."

MOTION CARRIED

10 in favour

1 opposed

2 abstained

(iii) Chemistry

Moved by B.L. Funt, seconded by H. Hacring,

"that changes as shown in the precis pertaining to

Chemistry be approved."

MOTION CARRIED

(iv) Mathematics

Moved by B.L. Funt, seconded by W. Viclaver,

"that changes as shown in the precis for Mathematics be

approved."

Significant debate developed. R. }Iaering suggested that further

support papers were needed with clarification as to whether or not

a major change in direction was being undertaken and the amount of

support staff required. B.L. Funt indicated that two additional.

faculty members would be required and thatprimary changes pertained

to adaptation of the programs to bring them more closely into line

with changes which had occurred in the secondary school system. He

noted that a number of courses would disappear and that the increase

in courses was minimal. Debate continued with further questions

being raised.

MOTION DEFEATED

6 in favour

8 opposed

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Moved by R. Ilacring, seconded by D. Sullivan,

"that the Acting Vice President in consultation with the

Mathematics Department identify those portions of the

Mathematics submission which represent no substantive change

in the Mathematics Program and that these be accepted in

their present form; and that the Department of Mathematics

and the Faculty of Science be required to document any other

substantive changes in terms of their priorities within the

Department of Mathematics and within the Faculty of Science,

for consideration by Senate."

Attention was drawn to the fact that deferrment was no' required

in terms of consideration of proposals for the Department of

Mathematics and for the Department of Modern Languages and that the

matter of Calendar dates presented some problems.

Moved by D. Sullivan, seconded by J. Walkicy,

"that for 1969/70 the Calendar submission date be moved up

90 to 120 days, i.e., for the Fall rather than for the

Sunirner Semester, with the Registrar to submit recommendations

on new dates."

Debate followed and the Registrar was instructed to submit: an

appropriate paper showing the advantages and disadvantages of

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issue of a Calendar based on the period from the Summer Semester

through to the end of the Spring Semester s compared with a Calendar

based on dates commencing with the Fall Semester through

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the end

of the Summer Semester.

Debate continued.

Moved by R. Harper, seconded by J. Walkley,

"that the previous question now be put."

MOTION FOR THE PREVIOUS

QUESTION CARRIED

8 in favour

3 opposed

2 abstained

Questions were then raised as to whether or not a Calendar for the

Summer Semester would be required if change in dates were undertaken

and it was agreed that such Calendar would indeed be necessary if

change were made.

(v)

Moved by B.L. Punt, seconded by D.G. Tuck,

"that the changes proposed for Physics as shown in the

precis be approved."

MOTION CARRIED

The Secretary indicated that for both the graduate and uidergraduatc calendar

submissions a number of technical problems were involved, particularly with

reference to course number )

tiLJ.es and credits. Reference

was made to previous

procedures and difficulties which had followed.. He requested permission of

Senate to negotiate with departments to overcome a number of these difficulties

where possible, including changes in items where necessary but retaining the

basic principles. Senate readily concurred with the request.

B.L. Funt gave notice of motion,

"that in future Senate adjourn on the day Senate

meeting commences."

The meeting adjourned at 2:15 a.m.