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SENATE 

From 

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SENATE COMMITTEE 

ON UNDERGRADUATE 

To

STUDIES 

Subject 

CHEMICAL PHYSICS PROGRAMS      

Date _MARCH 18,1974 

i) REVISED HONORS CHEMICAL 

ii) PROPOSED MAJORS CHEMICAL 

PHYSICS PROGRAM 

MOTION 1: 

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"That Senate approve, as set forth in S.74-52, 

the revised Honors Chemical Physics program." 

MOTION 2: 

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"That Senate approve, as set forth in 

5.74-52, 

the proposed Majors Chemical Physics program." 

s, 711-!cQt

SiMON FRASER UNIVERSITY

MEMORANDUM

SENATE ? 

Senate Committee on Undergraduate 

To........................................

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From

............. Studies

........................................................

Subject

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CHEMICAL

PHYSICS PROGRAMS

Date..

March 18, 19714 

The attached proposal for a major program in chemical physics 

and an honors program in chemical physics has been considered by the 

Senate Committee on Undergraduate Studies and is now forwarded to Senate 

for its consideration. 

It should be noted that: 

1.

the proposed programs consist entirely of courses 

already offered by the departments concerned; and 

2.

the Committee discussed at some length the obvious 

restrictions which would be placed on students enroll- 

ing in these programs and concluded that, while there 

may be a sense in which it was undesirable for students 

to take courses in such a limited range of subjects as 

this program requires, the provision of an adequate 

grounding in these areas makes such restrictions 

inevitable. 

. igridge 

:ams 

att. 

SiMON FRASER UNIVERSITY

MEMORANDUM

To?

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...Go.m...i.tt.ee....on..........................................From ............... ..S. 

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Ar.onoff. ................. 

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Unde..r.g.r.a.d.ua.t...... Studies ?

De,aii....o......Scienc.e 

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Subject

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CHEMI.CAL.... PHY...I.CS .... PRO.GRA4.....................

Date

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a.n.u.a.ry....10..,....1.9.74........................................

The attached proposal was approved by the Faculty of Science 

at its meeting of December 11, 1973. Part I is the revised 

Honors Chemical Physics program, Part II the proposed Majors 

Chemical Physics program, and Part III contains the rationale 

for the changes in the Honors Chemical Physics program and, 

the initiation of a Majors Program in Chemical Physics. 

This proposal is now forwarded to the Senate Committee on 

Undergraduate Studies ,for its consideration. 

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In

addition, 

the student is required to 

select at least 5 hours 

from 300 or 

400 level Chemistry courses. 

22

minimum 

21 minimum 

6 minimum 

31

maximum 

28 maximum 

10 maximum 

38

minimum 

42 minimum 

19 minimum 

47

maximum 

49 maximum 

23 maximum 

6 hrs 

6 hrs 

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•PARTI

REVISED HONORS CHEMICAL

PHYSICS PROGRAM

Physics 

Chemistry 

Mathematics 

Arts 

201-2 

104-3 

151-3 

any

6 hrs 

202-2 

105-3 

152-3 

203-2 

115-2        

232-3 

204-2 

117-2 

253-4 

205-2 

232-3 

206-2 

251-3 

233-2 

252-3 

234-2 

256-2 

16 hrs 

21 hrs 

13 hrs 

6 hrs 

331-3 

332-3 

311-4 ? 

or 431-4 

332-3 m 

or

351-4 ? 

336-2 or 341-3   

352-2 

341_4* 

3613c 

412-4 or P382-4 

.

381-4 

366-2 or 3672d 

382-4 or 

M412-4 ? 

462-3 

412-4 

421-4 or 

461-4 

*CHEM 261-3 plus CHEM 362-3 may be taken instead of 

PHYS

341-4. 

Lower level hours specified: 

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56

Upper level hours specified: 

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61 minimum 

65 maximum 

TOTAL hours specified 

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117 minimum 

121 maximum 

Revised Honors Chemical Physics Program 

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Prerequisites 

P332-3 --

the requirement that 

P351-4

must preced, or be taken 

concurrently with 

P332-3

can be waived 

with the permission of the instructor. 

P431-4 --

the prerequisite 

P332-3

can be waived. 

C361-3 -.

the prerequisite 

C261-3

can be waived provided P341-4 

has been taken, or is being taken concurrently. 

C367-2 --

the prerequisite 

C366-2

can be waived provided P233-3, 

P234-2,

and

P331-3

have already been taken. 

C463-3 --

the

prerequisite 

C261-3

can be waived if the student 

has taken 

P341-4

in place of C261-3 and 

CHEMICAL PHYSICS MAJORS PROGRAM

Physics 

Chemistry 

Mathematics ? 

Arts 

201-2 

104-3 

151-3 

any

6 hrs 

202-2 

105-3 

152-3 

203-2 

11522

232-3 

204-2 

117-2 

253-4 

205-2 

232-3 

206-2 

251-3 

233-2 

252-2 or 

?

256-2 

234-2 

16 hrs 

18 hrs 

13 hrs 

6 hrs 

331-3 ? 

332-3 

352-2 

341_4* 

336-2 

381-4 

341-3 

461-4 

361•3C 

.

3323

366-2 or 3672d 

351-4 ? 

: 0 1 : 

st

462-3 

382-4 ? 

these 

362-3 

431_4b 

367-2 

one of 

416-3 ? 

these 

*CHEM 261-3 plus CHEM 

.

362-3 may 

be

taken 

instead of 

PHYS 341-4. 

14 minimum 

18 minimum 

2 hrs 

19 maximum 

25 maximum 

30 minimum 

36 minimum     

15 hrs 

6 hrs 

35 maximum 

43 maximum 

Lower 

level 

hours 

specified: ? 

53

Upper level hours 

specified: ? 

38 minimum 

42 maximum 

TOTAL 

hours 

specified: ? 

91 minimum   

FREE 

ELECTIVES: 

95 maximum    

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Proposed Chemical Physics Majors Program 

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'The students are advised to select as electives some courses in 

Computer Science. 

Prerequisites 

P332-3 --

the requirement that 

P351-4

must precede or be taken 

concurrently with 

P332-4

can be waived 

with the permission of the 

instructor. 

P431-4 --

the prerequisite 

P332-3

can be waived. 

C361-3 --

the prerequisite 

C261-3

can be waived provided 

P341-4

has been taken or is being taken concurrently with 

C361-3.

C367-2 --

the prerequisite 

C366-2

can be waived p:rovided 

P233-2

P34-2,

and

P331-3

have already been taken. 

C463-3 --

the

prerequisite 

C261-3

can be waived if the student 

has taken 

P341-4

instead of 

C261-3

and

C362-3.

PART III

COMPARISON OF "NEW" HONORS CHEMICAL PHYSICS 

VERSUS "OLD" HONORS CHEMICAL PHYSICS 

The courses listed below are those courses which have been 

specified differently in the two programs. 

PHYSICS ? 

CHEMISTRY ? 

MATHEMATICS 

new ? 

old ? 

new ?

old ?

new ?

old

100 and 200 level courses 

omit ? 

P235-2 ? 

may omit* 

?

C261-3 

300 and 400 level courses 

P351-4 or 

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P351-4 ? 

i C336-2 or 

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j C336-2 ? 

M311-4 or 

?

M311-4

P332-3 ? 

C341-3 ? 

1143l-4 

P382-4 or 

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P382-4 and 

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omi t * ? 

C362-3 ? 

M412-4 or 

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M414-4

M4124 ? 

M414-4 

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' ? P382-4 ? 

and

PT2-4 

P341_4* ? 

P341-4 or 

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C366-2 or 

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C366-2 

C471-3 

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C367-2 

C463-3 

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omit 

omit ? 

P411-4 ? 

plus 5 hrs 

P421-4 or 

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P421-4 and 

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of 300 or 

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omit 

400

level 

P431-4 

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P431-4- 

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I' Chemistry 

*

P341-4or 

C261-3 plus C362-3 

Justification of the 

New Honors Chemical Physics Program 

1. A better balance between Chemistry and Physics courses has 

been achieved in 

the new HCP program. This has been done by: 

a)

omitting 8 hrs of 400 level Physics and adding 8 hrs 

of 300 or 400 level Chemistry, 

b)

recognizing that the chemical physicist with a back- 

ground in both Chemistry and Physics 'should be able to 

learn with equal facility thermodynamics and statistical 

mechanics either 

from the perspective of the physicist 

(P341-4) or from the perspective of the chemist (C261-3 

plus C362-3). The committee realizes that the objectives 

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and course content of these Chemistry and Physics courses 

are different 

and could not be considered equivalent for 

the Honors Chemistry or Honors 

Physics student. 

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'I'he neW iu:i'

program offers a greater selection of courses 

fl)HI .j)('(

i IIP(I courses. 

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This may 

aflcViitc

t

he

tirnetabi ing 

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Ii fFiculties which were encountered in the old IICP 

progr;iIli.

3.

The new 1ICP program has 

17-21

hours of free electives 

(including the 

hours of Arts specified for degree 

requirements) versus the 

12-13

hours permitted by the old 

HCP program. By increasing the number of hours of free 

electives it becomes possible for the student to strengthen 

his specialization in either Chemistry or Physics, or 

alternatively to broaden his knowledge of other fields. 

4.

The specified 100 and 

200

level courses may be regarded as 

core courses which permit the student who initially enrolls 

in Honors Chemical Physics to be able at the end of 4 semesters 

to switch conveniently to a degree in Honors Chemistry or 

Honors Physics. 

Comments on the Prerequisite Changes Suggested for the 

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Chemical Physics Programs 

P332-3 --

It is advisable that a.chemic 

.

alphYSiciSt obtain 

practical experience in geometrical and physical optics. 

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It is possible to complete successfully the optics lab 

course 

P332-3,

without having taken the lecture course in 

optics. P351-4.

P431-4 --

It is possible to complete successfully the. lab 

course 

P431-4

without having taken the optics courses 

P337-3

and

P351-4.

C361-3 -- P341-4

and

C261-3,

although differing in content, 

can be considered interchangeable as far. as the prerequisite 

requirements of quantum chemistry 

C361-3

are concerned. 

C367-2 --

The lab course 

C367-2

contains experiments which 

the chemical physicist may find of use and of interest. By 

requiring that the three physics labs, 

P233-2, P234-2, P331-3,

be taken before 

C367-2,

the student should not encounter 

difficulties with the instrumentation involved in 

C367-2.

C463-3 --

The student who has taken the thermodynamics and 

statistical mechanics course 

P341-4

will be better prepared 

for the thermodynamics course 

C463-3

than the student who 

has taken only 

the Physical Chemistry course 

C261-3.

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General Rationale for the Majors Program 

1.

The program represents a coherent, recognized field of 

study which is provided with presently available resources. 

2.

An Honors Chemical Physis st.-udent failing to accrue a 

sufficient grade point average. toiraduate with honors can 

now graduate with a majors' ,degree in Chemical Physics. 

3.

Students graduating with ainâjorsdeV'ee in Chemical Physics 

should be able to work in, or"havé competence in certain 

technical areas 

which 

are

not

:.

possible by other kinds of 

training. 