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APPROVED BY SENATE
MINUTES OF MEETING OF SENATE 01 S IFiON FRASER UNIVERSITY
HELD MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 8, 1969, FACULTY LOUNGE, 7:30 P.M.
PRESENT:
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ABSENT:
OPEN SESSION
Strand,
K.
T.
Chairman
Baird, D.
A.
Brown, R. C.
Burstein . , K. R.
Campbell, N. J.
Caple, K. P.
Carlson, R. L.
Claridge, R. W.
Cole, R.
F.
Freiman Mrs. L.
Fuit, B.
L.
Hamilton, W. N.
Hean,
A.F,C.
Hut chins on, J.
F.
Keuward, N. K.
Kirchner, C.
Korb:Ln,
D.
Lachlan, A. H.
Lebowitz, N. A.
MacKinnon, A. R.
McDougall, A. II.
Rogow, R.
Sayre,
3.
Srivastava, L. N.
Stratton, S.
Sullivan, U. II.
Tuck, U.
G.
Turnbull, A. L.
Vidaver, W.
'1a1kley,
J.
Wassermann, Mrs. S.
Evans, H. N.
Secretary
Kelsey, I.
B.
Neakin, U.
Barboza, Miss J.
Recording Secretary
Norsworthy, Mrs. R.
Recording Secretary
Collins, N.
Drache, Mrs.
S.
McLean, C. H.
Perry,
C.
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Mr. Caple, the Chancellor, said that it was his privilege before the
Senate meeting started to welcome Dr. Strand on his first day as President
of the University. The Chancellor added that he wished Dr. Strand welr and
stated that Dr. Strand had a warm group of supporters.
1.
SEATING OF SENATORS
Senate moved that Dr. R. Rogow and Dr. G.
after being informed by the Chairman that R. R
Senate by Joint Faculty to replace temporarily
serving as Acting Academic Vice-President, and
elected by the Faculty of Education to replace
from September 1, 1969 to August
31,
1970.
2.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Kirchner be seated on Senate
gow had been elected to
L. N. Srivastava while he is
that C. Kirchner had been
temporarily B. R. D'Aoust
Senator Carlson asked that Item 3(i) dealing with Paper S.258 be ruled
out
of
order on the basis that Senate had already
motion dealing with the offering of PSA 474. The
out of order because notice of motion had been sul
Senatewell in advance of the Senate meeting, and
be considered.
taken action on a previous
Chairman ruled this request
mitted to the Secretary of
therefore this matter could
M. Caiñpbell requested that two items
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with in the Closed Session under Business
Chairman ruled that the items referred to
1Ioved by Mrs. L. Freiman, seconded b
"that the Agenda as recommended
Committee be approved."
be added to the agenda and be dealt
Arising from the Minutes. The
could be taken up later.
y
L. Srivastava,
by the Senate Agenda
MOTiON CARRIED
3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF OPEN SESSION OF AUGUST 4, 1969
Ii.. Srivastava noted that lines 2 and 3 of Item 3 appearing on Page 3
should read 'he and the Deans" rather than 'he and the Acting President."
N. Campbell asked if the Board had received Senate Paper S.251, dealing
with 4ualifications for a Dean of Graduate Studies. It was pointed out that
the paper had been received by the Board and approved.
H. Lebowitz noted that the minutes of August 4, with regard to receipt
of Paper S.215 from the Faculty of Arts, did not reflect exactly what had
transpired. It was agreed that he would submit
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the Secretary a revised
statement for inclusion in the minutes. N. Lebowitz also noted that in
Appendix A, Political Science, Sociology, and Anthropology should be shown
as onedepartment rather than three as implied in the circulated listing.
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A McDougall stated that on Page 9, Paragraph
2
should read that
R. Carlson. moved that PSA 474 be
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rerred back to the Faculty of Arts
Curriculum Committee and that as there was no seconder the motion failed.
A. McDougall stated also that on Page 9, Paragraph 3 it should read
that bean Sullivan would bring to Senate "within the next two meetings" a
paper on criteria for documentation on curriculum changes.
As there were no further amendments the minutes were approved as
amended.
4. BUSINESS ARISING FROM THE MINUTES
Paper_S.258
I'SA 474
R. Carlson asked that. this Item be ruled out of order on the basis
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that he Senate cannt rescind an action already taken as a result of a
motion made at the previous meeting to take that action. In this case
Senate had voted to refer the matter back to the Faculty of Arts
Curriculum Committee, an action which Senate now cannot undo.
b. Sullivan s:ated that he had come to the meeting prepared to give a
re
p
ort on the action recommended by the Faculty of Arts Curriculuni Committee
on PSA 474
The Chairman stated that Senate could undo what it had voted to do at
the previous meeting if it so wished, lie ruled that Senate could undo the
referral back to the Faculty of Arts Curriculum Committee, and that a motion
to rescind would not he out of order.
On a motion by D. Sullivan, seconded by K. Burstein the ruling of the
Chair was challenged with a vote of 12 in favour and 13 opposed to sustaining
the Chair.
D. Sullivan then reported on the deliberations of the Faculty of Arts
Curri q
uluin Committee which both R. Carlson and Professor Hickersoi, who was
to tech PSA 474, attended. The Curriculum Committee recommended that PSA
474 be offered in the 69-3 semester.
It was moved by D. Sullivan, seconded by J. Waikley, "that the report
from the Faculty of Arts Curriculum Committee be received," but after
reference to the Rules it was pointed out that the Senate had received the
report by hearing it. This was accepted by the Chairman and he so ruled.
Mpved by A. McDougall, seconded by I). Sullivan
"that Senate accept PSA 474 as a new course as outlined
in Senate Paper
S.253,
Page III."
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R. Carlson stated that he would serve notice of motion with regard
to restricting enrolment in the course to include only students who have
taken Archaeology 272,
if Senate passed the motion on the floor. He
added that at an earlier Senate meeting Senate had voted to separate
Archaeology Studies from PSA and he could not see the logic or justice cf
giving back part of Archaeology to PSA by approving a PSA course which
overlaps with a course in Archaeology.
Considerable discussion followed on the difference between R. Carison's
statement on course overlap and the recommendation by the Faculty of Arts
Curriculum Committee that the course should be accepted. Reference was made
to A. McDougall's rebuttal of R. Carlson's claim of course overlap as
presented on Paper S.258.
loved by Mrs. L Freiman, seconded by K. Burstein,
that the previous question be put."
NOTION ON PREVIOUS QUESTION
CARRIED
21 in favour
8 opposed
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uestion was called on the main motion that Senate accept PSA 474 as
a new course, and a vote was taken.
MAIN MOTION CARRIED
21 in favour
5
opposed
It was moved by R. Carlson, seconded by R. Brown, "that only students
who have taken and passed Archaeology 272 be permitted to resister for PSA
474." The Chairman ruled the motion out of order on the basis that a notice
of motion presented from the floor, as this one was, could not be considered
at the meeting in which notice of motion is given. The ruling of the Chair
was c1al1enged and a vote taken to sustain the ruling. The ruling was sus-
tained, with 16 in favour and8 opposed.
Moved by A. McDougall, seconded by J. Sayre,
that Senate suspand its rule, in the case of PSA 474,
arising out of a motion passed at the September, 1967
Senate Meeting (Page 8 of minutes of that meeting)
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the effect that no new course may be scheduled for a
given semester unless it has been approved by Senate at
least one month before the beginning of that semester."
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Debate followed on whether or not this motion would be considered
after the motion is passed that "Senate instruct the Registrar to schedule
and accept the registrations in PSA 474 for the 69-3 semester." It was
ruled by the Chairman that suspension of the rule would be considered first.
The Registrar indicated that no students had been formally registered
in PSA 474 for this semester and the course did not appear in the time table
but that the Department had carried out a preregistration on the understand-
ing that registration could take place only after the Senate meeting on
September 8, 1969, if Senate passed PSA 474 at that meeting. He stated also
that students registering for this course were asked to indicate alternative
cours.s in registration in case PSA 474 was not to be offered.
Question was called on the motion to suspend the rules in the case of
PSA 474 and a vote was taken.
MOTION CARRIED
14 in favour
12 opposed
Moved by A. McDougall, seconded by D. Korbin,
that Senate instruct the Registrar to schedule and accept
the registrations in PSA 474 for the 69-3 semester."
Debate centered on whether or not the course was needed immediately
for graduation, how many students required it, and if there was someone
qualified to teach it.
Moved by K. Burstein, seconded by G. Kirchner,
"that the previous question be put.'
MOTION ON PREVIOUS QUESTION
CARRIED
20 in favour
6 opposed
Question was called on the main motion to schedule and accept PSA
474 for the 69-3 semester and a vote taken.
MAIN MOTION CARRIED
19 in favour
9 opposed
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It was moved by N. Lehowitz, seconded by A. McDougall, "that Senate
apologize to the students and staff of PSA for any inconvenience resulting
from previous action taken at the Senate meeting of August 4, 1969," but
the Chairman ruled the motion out of order.
5.
REPORT OF CHAIP\NA
The Chairman had no report to make other than to draw Senate's
attention to the address he had made earlier in the day (attached as
Appendix A). Many of the points made in the address will be brought before
Senate in the future.
6.
REPORTS OF COii'IITTEES -
Par 1
S.259 - Senate Committee on Graduate Studies
Moved by
L.
Srivastava, seconded by R. Cole,
that Senate agree that for a student to receive a
graduate degree from the University he must have a
cumulative grade point average of 3.0 or higher over
all courses taken for the degree."
considerable discussion followed on whether or not courses had to be
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taken at Simon Fraser University, if the intent was to mean all courses
taken or all courses required, and how cumulative grade point average was
determined.
Amendment was moved by U. Sullivan, seconded by Mrs. L. Freiman,
"that the word 'required' be substituted for the
word 'taken. '"
A further amendment was moved by K. Burstein that the wards "at SFU"
be added after the word "degree." The Chairman ruled that this amendment
to the amendment was out of order.
Moved by N. Lebowitz, seconded by J. Hutchinson,
"that this Item be referred back to the Senate Committee
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on Graduate Studies asking the Committee to report back
on merits of the original proposal and the amendment."
Several requests were made to have the entire paper sent back to the
Committee rather than just Item 1.
Amendment to the motion for referral was moved by K. Burstein, seconded
by J. Walkley,
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"that the motion of referral be amended to read' 'that the
entire document, Paper S.259, be referred back to the
Senate Committee on Graduate Studies for reconsideration.'"
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AMENDMENT TO REFER CARRIED
21 in favour
3
opposed
Question was then called on the amended motion to refer and a vote
taken
AMENDED MOTION TO REFER CARRIED
None opposed
It was then moved by J. Sayre that this Paper be returned to Senate
by the November meeting of Senate.
7.
REPORTS OF FACULTIES
No reports.
8.
OTHER 'BUSINESS
A) Notices of Motion
1) Pa
p er S.255, Revised
_-_Ellis Report, Retroactivit v.
Moved by ii. Campbell, seconded by
J.
Kenward,
"that Basic Assumption No. 1 of Paper 5.255 be accepted,
that no motions are necessary concerning retroactive
application of admissions criteria since students who
have been denied admission in the past can re-apply."
MOTION CARRIED
None opposed
Moved by N. Campbell, seconded by J. Kenward,
"that Basic Assumption No. 2 of Paper S.255 be accepted,
that by January 1970 the Academic Board or the Academic
Vice-President should have ready a list of courses
offered by junior and regional colleges in British Columbia
together with general elective credit, unassigned credit in
a subject area or SFU equivalent credit that will be allowed
for these courses. The amount (and nature) of general
elective credit which each faculty-will credit towards its
degree will be included in this list."
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Questions were raised with regard to the lists which are being
compiled, and to be compiled, with enquiry as to how they are
compiled, by whom and where they are at present.
On the request of K. Burstein a paper prepared by C. Crawford
of the Department of Psychology was distributed by the Secretariat
involving a complaint on the procedures used by the Implementation
Committee (paper attached as Appendix
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A to Paper S.257a). Lengthy
discussion with argument followed. L. Srivastava, Chairman of the
Implementation Committee, D. Meakin and H. Evans responded and
explained that lists of courses have been compiled through the
Implementation Committee covering the majority of courses currently
offered in B.C. regional colleges, that discussions or communications
have been held with the heads or delegated persons within the various
university departments, that the lists reflect courses for which
course equivalent credit has been indicated, that they reflect cases
of subject- area but non-equivalent course credits and that they show
areas where only general elective transfer credit could be considered.
It was noted that decision on the utilization of courses in the general
elective transfer credit area for credit towards degrees within any
given faculty still required decision by the individual faculties,
that the lists had not yet been distributed to faculties for these
indications, and that this information would be expected before the
lists are printed. It was pointed out that some courses still
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required review and decision, particularly where new calendars or
other changes were being made within a college.
The Chairman indicated that it was his understanding that if the
lists were not prepared by January 1970,.the process suggested in
the motion would not go into effect and H. Campbell accepted this
interpretation.
H. Evans pointed out that it would not be possible to generate lists
for all institutions of the province by January 1970 and that it was
understood that Paper S.255 and its basic assumptions pertain at
this time only to the regional colleges of the province, and H.
Campbell concurred that this was the intent.
With this understanding, Basic Assumption No. 3 was briefly discussed
and accepted without opposition.
Discussion continued on Basic Assumption No. 4 and questions arose
with regard to retroactivity and appeals. K. Burstein stated that
Item 4 was out of order because it had nothing to do with retroactivity
and that it dealt with appeals only M. Campbell offered to reword
Item 4 to read: "Students who are admitted under the provisions of
the Ellis Report requesting transfer credit will not be allowed to
apply for credit following these procedures but will have to direct
any or all appeals to the Senate Appeals Committee." The Secretary
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noted that the procedure suggested could require major activity
on the part of the Appeals Committee and the students but that by
appropriate wording of statements, as the Lnplementation Committee
implements sections of the Ellis Report, much of this difficulty
could be overcome, provided the mover agreed, and M. Campbell
concurred with this approach.
Discussion continued and after hearing additional arguments .foi
deleting Item 4, with the concurrence of the mover Item 4 was
deleted.
Discussion then centered on Item 5 of Paper
S.255
Revised.
Amendment was moved by K. Burstein, seconded by R. Cole,
"that the last sentence of Item 5, Paper S.255 Revised,
be deleted."
Question was called on the amendment to delete the last sentence
of Item 5 and a vote taken.
AMENDMENT CARRIED
15 in favour
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4
opposed
Moved by M. Campbell, seconded by L.
Srivastava,
"that Senate adopt Basic Assumptions as stated in Items
1, 2, 3 and 5 as amended of Paper
S.255,
Revised."
After further discussion, it was
Moved by J. Kenward, seconded by'K. Burstein,
"that Paper S.255, Revised be referred back to M. Campbell's
committee for further thought and consideration."
Amendment to the referred motion was made by
M.
Lebowitz,
seconded by J. Sayre, "that the motion be amended by adding
'and that K. Burstein be requested to write out his comments
on Paper S.255, Revised, and revisions proposed,'" but it was
doubted if Senate could rightfully demand a Senator to do this,
and the amendment was dropped.
Discussion followed on the advisability of referral with emphasis
placed on the careful and detailed working out in the implementa-
tion of retroactivity by the Registrar's office and the Im
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Question was called on the motion to refer and a vote was
taken-
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MOTION TO REFER CARRIED
15 in favour
4 opposed
ii) Papers
S.257, S.257a -
I m p 1ementat
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Moved by L. Srivastava, seconded by R. Brown,
"that the requirements of Sections 2.3 and 3.4
of the Ellis Report be changed from an average
of 2.0 (60%) to an average of 2.4 (65%)."
It was explained by L. Srivastava that the Report con--
tained in Paper
S.257 had been prepared on August 4
showing what had been done to that time with regard to
implementing the Ellis Report, and that little had been
added since. He added that only about four or five
courses had not been accepted by the departments to date
and that one major point needed to be cleared by Senate.
This point referred to the motion submitted and if passed
would clear up the discrepnnc between admission require-
ments for those seeking transfer credit from institutions
outside the province, particularly from the United States.
K.
Burstein voiced concern over some of the procedures
followed by the Implementation Committee in that his
department's objections to course equivalents had been
ignored by the Committee and he referred to complaints
about this matter submitted in the paper by Dr. Crawford.
L.
Srivastava reported that departments do have the
privilege of helping to determine course equivalents
and
that if there is
any
department which does not accept the
courses listed for its department these matters will be
brought before Senate to resolve. L. Srivastava added also
that course equivalent lists will not be published until
they have been sent to all departments and to Senate.
N. Lebowitz stated that he was concerned about the program
for mature students and said that he hoped it will be made
known how mature students have done at Simon Fraser before
much is done about changing admission procedures for them.
L. Srivastava stated that the Implementation Committee would
provide information on this point when the Committee gets it.
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Qestion was raised by K. Burstein pertaining to general
elective credit and the recording of credit on transcripts.
The Registrar noted that under the terms of the Ellis
Report all transfer credit was to he designated under three
headings which involve Simon Fraser course equivalents,
unassigned credit in a subject area and unassigned credit
with later change to the utilization of the term "general
elective credit' to replace "unassigned credit," and that
one of the basic principles was that where a course is
accepted as being a university level course, that the
student on transfer would receive the same amount of credit
as he would have received for such course taken at the
institution. It was further noted that there had been
considerable debate as to the nature of how general elective
credit would operate, with discussion on a number of occasions
at Senate and also by the Implementation Committee.
In keeping with the Report, permits to register did carry
notations as to the type of transfer credit applicable to
any course, but the missing area at the present time in terms
of general elective credit is the value of the particular
course towards a degree in either Arts or Education or
Science as this is still, to be determined and reported upon
by the individual faculties.
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K. Burstein asked that J. Sayre's motion with regard to un-
assigned credit and general elective credit be read and
stated that there was obviously some discrepancy between
that motion and what was being done in the Registrar's Office.
The Chairman asked K. Burstein to write out his allegations
and send them to him and he will look into the allegations
himself.
Question was called on the motion to change Sections 2.3 and
3.4 of the Ellis Report and a vote was taken.
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NOTION CARRIED
24 in favour
1 opposed
iii) fILer 5.260-Procedures and Responsibilities to Senate of
Senate Committees.
Moved by L. Srivastava, seconded by D. Sullivan,
"that Paper S.260 be dealt with in the Closed
Session."
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It was felt that this item should be handled in Cioed
Session if any personal names were to be brought out in
discussion. N. Lebowitz said that no names need be
brought out and that the Paper could readily be dealt
with in Open Session.
Question was called on the motion and a vote taken.
MOTION CARRIED
10 in favour
6 c?pposed
Senators L. Freiman and M. Lebowitz asked that their
negative votes be recorded.
iv) Paper S.261 - Recorrnrtendation to the Board of Governors
N. Lebowitz reported that he had intended to make a motion,
but had decided to withdraw the motion at this time because
he did not have the documents he had hoped to have to
support the motion.
As there was no objection the motion was withdrawn,
V)
perS.2G2_-_Production
Schedule -Graduate and Und
ergr a
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Calendars 1970-71
It was indicated that Item 1 would be considered ad seriatim.
Moved by J. Kenward, seconded by N. Campbell,
"that Motion (1) of Paper S.262 be adopted to the
effect that November 3, 1969 be the last date for
submission by Departments to the Registrar of all
copy materials for both the Undergraduate and the
Graduate Calendars for 1970-71."
Discussion centered on several points. It was pointed out
that 60 days is insufficient time for departments and
faculties to make the necessary changes, that decisions
relating to calendar changes are basically educational and
philosophical rather than technical, and that improvements
in production will have to be worked out by the Registrar's
Office to accommodate the needs of departments and
faculties.
The Secretary explained that under present conditions a tight
schedule had to be kept to publish a calendar which would be
out in ample time for use in B.C. secondary schools. Other-
wise the result would be similar to this past year where the
Calendar was published at such a late date it was useless for
counselors and students in the secondary schools.
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Amendment was moved by Mrs. L. Freiman, seconded by
D. Tuck,
"that the last date for submission by Departments to
the Registrar of all copy of materials for both the
Undergraduate and the Graduate Calendars for 1970-71
be extended one month from November 3, 1969 to
December 3, 1969."
MOTION CARRIED
On Notion (2) of Paper S.262 which reads,
"that December 8, 1969 be established as the date for
the Special Meeting of Senate to approve calendar
items for 1970-71,"
it was moved by D. Sullivan, seconded by A. MacKinnon,
"that this item be referred back to the Registrar's
Office for further consideration."
MOTION TO REFER CARRIED
It was questioned why Senate needed a Special Meeting to
approve calendar items at that time. It was suggested that
Senate meet further on in the process when the material
is closer to final form. it was recommended also that con-
sideration be given to forming a Calendar Committee to
handle calendar publications.
On Motion (3) of Paper S.262 which reads,
"That other than in the most exceptional circumstances,
for which Senate would suspend its normal rules, the
offering of courses in a given semester would be
restricted to those courses already approved by Senate
appearing within the calendar for the semester concerned,"
it was moved by H. Lebowitz, seconded by D. Sullivan,
"that th..s item be referred back to the Registrar's
Office for further consideration."
The view was expressed that a small bulletin could be printed
each, semester listing courses offered that semester. It was
pointed out that the University needs to move rapidly towards
indicating to prospective students exactly what courses will
be offered several semesters in advance.
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Question On referral was called and a vote taken
MOTION TO REFER CARRIED
14 in favour
4 opposed
B)
Other Items
M. Lebowitz gave notice of motion that he would move in Closed
Session that proceedings from Paper S.260 be published in the
minutes of the Open Session.
C)
Date of Next Meeting
The Chairman announced that the next Senate meeting would be on.
Monday, October 6, 1969 at 7:30 p.m.
D)
Confidential Matters
Open Session adjourned at 1:05 a.m. to move into Closed Session.
H. M. Evans
Secretary
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